Roberto Mancini

[CaptainCarlos]

On a more serious note though.. Does anyone understand what the HOLISTIC approach means/ is??

Is it what we are seeing now or are we yet to see it??

If it is what we are seeing now, what is the difference between now and then(Mancini era)

 

[Gaylord du Bois]

Most successful manager for a generation relegated to The General Forum.
The Cellar awaits.

And then into the abyss of Technical Queries.

 

[supercity88]

I loved Mancini - how could you not? He took us to the first trophy in my lifetime and won us the league in just about the most dramatic way that has been seen. It doesn’t get better than that. We were spoiled. It was tough on the heart but last season when we won it felt like a walk in the park in comparison despite the fact we still only won it on the final day!!!

He’s a brilliant manager but it’s tough love. He’s old school and it’s his way or the highway. That’s not how a club like ours can do things. It might be one day, but it wasn’t at the time. We had players who came for money and felt they deserved more respect. My criticism of him is that he had a real issue with the CL – he over thought things and this was probably because he was sacked from Inter because of poor form and was set strict targets by the board at City to improve and couldn’t do it. His tactical experiments were examples of him panicking in desperation to win games. He got it wrong.

Similarly he moaned about money far too much. A great manager will not admit weakness in his side. Mancini bemoaned the failure to sign Van Persie as the reason we didn’t win the league – he was doing this from the derby loss in November time.

All of that doesn’t matter though. He is a legend of the club and his personality will always keep him in the hearts of true City fans.

Replacing him with Pellegrini was 100% the correct decision. We won the league and league cup, made it to the CL knockouts and played cracking football at times. He’s not perfect and he’s certainly not got the character of Mancini but he has a calm approach and is happy to work with the board whilst we tackle financial restructuring and FFP. We’ve altered contracts, removed several high earners and are still competing for the league and CL. He has his faults of course – but so far things have been good and we’ll see at the end of the season how he gets on this year.

 

[DHMCFC]

my love for the man cant be described as he started off what all us blues deserved and built an infrastructure at our fantastic club for many years to come with help from sheikh mansour (GOD). Like he states in his interview he loves us and 99% of blues agree he should still be head of the thrown in my eyes because of what he did but I do admire pellegrini as does RM because he is a quality manager but how any city fan can slag RM off absolutely puzzles me.

 

[Kazzydeyna]

Re: Mancini on Sky talking about City

I shouldn't have to tell a fellow mod and Bluemoon's leading WUM that we don't want to get into a Mancini v Pellegrini debate again. In their different ways, they're both very good managers but neither are without their faults.

I don't agree with kazzydeyna that people who saw Mancini's faults are of the Colin Shindler tendency. No City fan should or will ever forget or be less than grateful for where he took us but neither should they underestimate the issues behind the scenes that were of his making. There was utter carnage behind the scenes and unfortunately something had to give. That's certainly high among the reasons why he would never be back while the current ownership is in place.

But when all that's said and done, January 2010 to May 2013 saw some of the most memorable moments of my not inconsiderable years as a City fan. Perhaps very few, if any, other managers could have done what he did for us at that time so he was probably the right man in the right place at the right time.

I didn't make it clear in my post, I certainly wasn't suggesting that all who were against Mancini were Colin schindlers, or even that the majority of them were.

But I do believe that a sizeable minority of them (they know who they are) ARE a little Schindler-esque, for the reasons I stated earlier.

You only have to wonder why some of the anti-Mancini crowd were so enamoured with Hughes. In my view it is because Hughes wasn't a threat to little City. If he'd stayed for much longer he would possibly have derailed the whole project. Certainly he would have further ingrained the image of our being "the club for cock ups" (all that money spent and still shit).

I always have a mental image of them, dressed like Paul Calf, deliberately exaggerating their manc accent, constantly calling people "our kid", a bit like Kevin and Perry when they went to Manchester that time.

They're hilarious.

Was staying away but had to respond.

Biggest pile of fucking rubbish ive ever read on here.

I will ask again, when you was calling for the head of a double winning manager not long back, what was you being?

When I was unhappy with MP in his early days I was being... Wrong.

I'm not ashamed of that. I'm often wrong where matters of emotion are concerned. It's human. And I'm perfectly okay with people calling me on it.

I then realised I was wrong and changed my view. That's normal. I've done it on lots of things. In here and in life.

What I didn't do was stick rigidly to my original position because of some deeply held psychological flaw that "I can't admit it. People on blue moon might criticise me for it".

Is that alright? Our kid.

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

my love for the man cant be described as he started off what all us blues deserved and built an infrastructure at our fantastic club for many years to come with help from sheikh mansour (GOD). Like he states in his interview he loves us and 99% of blues agree he should still be head of the thrown in my eyes because of what he did but I do admire pellegrini as does RM because he is a quality manager but how any city fan can slag RM off absolutely puzzles me.

'With help from Sheikh Mansour'

Heard it all now.

There is only one man responsible for building this club and the fantastic infrastructure and it wasn't fucking Mancini.

He continues to play to the peanut gallery, however, with his comments about City. He knows plenty will lap it up and continue to peddle the narrative he was wronged to paint the owners in a bad light.

 

[FantasyIreland]

Haha. I was wondering why the Pellegrini and Txiki threads were so quiet. This is where they've all decamped too.

Excellent stuff! : )

Best thread in ages.......;-)

 

[DHMCFC]

'With help from Sheikh Mansour' havent you heard of sarcasm?

Heard it all now.

There is only one man responsible for building this club and the fantastic infrastructure and it wasn't fucking Mancini.

He continues to play to the peanut gallery, however, with his comments about City. He knows plenty will lap it up and continue to peddle the narrative he was wronged to paint the owners in a bad light.

I meant 'team' so apologies for the false bait presented to you there

argue if you must but we all know the core of this squad and the transformation of being 8th to champions is down to the work of Mancini

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

'With help from Sheikh Mansour' havent you heard of sarcasm?

Heard it all now.

There is only one man responsible for building this club and the fantastic infrastructure and it wasn't fucking Mancini.

He continues to play to the peanut gallery, however, with his comments about City. He knows plenty will lap it up and continue to peddle the narrative he was wronged to paint the owners in a bad light.

I meant 'team' so apologies for the false bait presented to you there

argue if you must but we all know the core of this squad and the transformation of being 8th to champions is down to the work of Mancini

The team is part of the infrastructure.

The core of this squad and transformation is down to cold hard cash, something Mancini pissed and moaned about when he realised the tap was being turned off and he would actually have to try and manage a dressing room.

As for some of the other revisionism, City twice before attempted to sign Yaya before Mancini arrived. Cook also only signed Aguero on the owners' authority, as Mancini had put all his eggs in one basket with Sanchez.

If it was as simple as being transformed from 8th to champions, more clubs than us would be winning titles. Mancini was afforded the resources, nothing more. Class will out.

Hughes was just a sub-standard pre-cursor.

Without wanting to compare apples and oranges, Pellegrini also won a double in his first season in a foreign country. Having finished 12 points behind a piss poor United team, the season before, and losing in an FA Cup Final to Wigan.

Is Pellegrini a managerial genius, I don't consider him so. Resources and infrastructure.

Same reason every other manager who comes in will be a success in varying shades of degrees in the coming years ahead.

 

[JoeMercer'sWay]

On a more serious note though.. Does anyone understand what the HOLISTIC approach means/ is??

Is it what we are seeing now or are we yet to see it??

If it is what we are seeing now, what is the difference between now and then(Mancini era)

It means doing your job properly without slagging off your bosses in the media because you don't get what you want all the time.

So yes, we are seeing it now.