Rock Evolution – The History of Rock & Roll - 1985 - (page 203)

Thanks for another great discussion! I have a number of great candidates for the playlist, but I will start off with one of the great country/pop crossovers of that (or any) era. A great track by a singer whose voice, style and phrasing were remarkable and whose songs still bring joy to the heart and a tear to the eye . . .

I Fall to Pieces - Patsy Cline
 
Always felt sorry (if that's the right word) for Helen Shapiro. Had 2 Number 1s by the age of 15 and then within 18 months her chart hits had dried up. I mean, how do you deal with it all being over for you by the age of 16 and you're yesterday's news ? I'm not saying she wasn't talented (she clearly was) or she didn't have a career afterwards - just one of those rapid rises and equally rapid falls in the annals of popular music.
 
RobMCFC said:
What was it Foggy called you for stealing his year? A weasel?

I’ve got a bit about the Satellite to Stax name change in my forthcoming write-up, but a quick check reveals that it was 1961 that this occurred, so fair play to you! I’ve also got a bit about Kennedy’s moonshot speech but that was 1962.

Anyway, a great write-up with lots of fascinating insight. Detroit to Dartford, I like that line.
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According to Fog I was a slimy weasel and a giant dickhead so I'll take just being a weasel as partial rehabilitation :-)

It will be interesting to see themes develop across multiple years be it things like the establishment of big labels like Motown or more profound things such as the progress of the space race.
 
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stan bowles said:
Always felt sorry (if that's the right word) for Helen Shapiro. Had 2 Number 1s by the age of 15 and then within 18 months her chart hits had dried up. I mean, how do you deal with it all being over for you by the age of 16 and you're yesterday's news ? I'm not saying she wasn't talented (she clearly was) or she didn't have a career afterwards - just one of those rapid rises and equally rapid falls in the annals of popular music.
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Absolutely, to go from having The Beatles as your support act in 63 to being pretty much done a couple of years later must have been very strange. I suspect the level of glamour that went with the job in those days was not comparable to now which maybe made it a softer landing? With the right material you'd have thought she was more than capable vocally of holding her own but maybe like Alma Cogan and Connie Francis before her she was simply seen as old fashioned. I remember seeing her interviewed a few years back and she seemed quite grounded and normal but perhaps that normality meant she didn't convey the 'star quality' needed in the television age? Either way it seems like she's had a good career on stage and similar and these days apparently performs in a religious vocal trio.
 
threespires said:
1961

Mr Beflry made the astute observation that decades and eras are far from the same thing and that culturally ‘the Sixties’ didn’t start in 1960. Though it will be increasingly hard for those that follow to make that claim, 1961 remains pretty much in that same boat as 1960.

On the surface the charts looked very similar with a mixture of musicals, traditional and doo wop orientated pop dominating. This was not inherently a bad thing as our first track illustrates: The Shirelles – Dedicated to The One I Love. As lushly sung and beautifully arranged as the Mamas and Papas later version was, it’s somewhat stripped of the rawer youthful yearning of the original. The relatively low volume of music, churn and secondary market of the UK meant that songs could have a long shelf life too with some of our 60’s playlist, like Will You Still Love Me Tomorrow, enduring well into 1961.

However, look beyond the surface continuity and you begin to see, in places as diverse as Detroit and Dartford, that seeds were being planted in fertile soil ready for the early shoots of new music to germinate and appear.

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Both of these locations were the scenes of important musical events in 1961 but only
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Albums

Conventional rock albums continued to be a thing of the future with more traditional LPs dominating the charts. Musicals continued to be highly popular, including The Sound of Music from which we’ll have a song albeit in a different form. Other big musicals on both sides of the Atlantic included Seven Brides, The Music Man and Calcutta!

Though both Elvis and Cliff Richard(s) had big no 1 albums, they were off the back of another phenomena: the movie soundtrack album. Blue Hawaii and The Young Ones, respectively, were far from the only big movie soundtrack albums as star vehicle movies began to overtake the conventional musical. As classic a song as Elvis’s - Can’t Help Falling In Love is, it doesn’t sound very rock n roll; but that didn’t stop it being the biggest track from the Blue Hawaii album.

Though not star vehicles, two other big films of '61, Breakfast at Tiffany’s and West Side Story, yielded greats songs that will hopefully get nominated along the way this next fortnight, but again neither resembling rock.

Other traditional music thrived. In the, UK Chris Barber and Acker Bilk - Greatest Hits spent a long time at the top of the album charts as did The Black and White Minstrels too. By and large the UK album scene felt pretty 'safe' and though that's true of the US scene too there were a few more avenues for Americans to explore.

In terms of quality and innovation many of the albums that have endured from 1961 are jazz classics. John Coltrane was moving out of the shadow of Miles Davis by amongst other things introducing Indian and Eastern influences into his music (long before a certain four piece). The title track from his huge album My Favourite Things takes a song from the aforementioned Sound of Music and though it starts conventionally enough, as the song progresses turns it into something quite different and hypnotic. Beyond the established jazz idioms, avant-garde jazz continued to make progress too with artists like Ornette Coleman and Cecil Taylor releasing big albums.

Beyond the Musical, film soundtrack and jazz hegemony, the US album charts continued to show more progression than the UK. Ray Charles had three varied albums out this year, though in a great illustration of the continuing separation of album and single his biggest hit of the year Hit The Road Jack, didn’t appear on any of them.

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Watch Ray Charles Live at the Antibes Jazz festival to hear
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One emergent couple who had a hit that was on their album were Ike and Tina Turner, I Idolize You was a hit from their debut album The Soul of Ike and Tina Turner but was then eclipsed later in the year by their Grammy nominated It’s Gonna Work Out Fine.

Inspired by her older friends Sam Cooke and Ray Charles and by a her sisters boyfriend (a young man named Marvin Gaye) the 18 year old Aretha Franklin turned down offers from both Cooke's RCA label and Berry Gordy to record her first album with Columbia. Joan Baez released her Volume II album to some acclaim, and though mostly still singing traditional songs she continued to set herself up for a stellar career.

The UK wasn't totally stuck in the album mud though. Originally put together as Cliff's backing group, The Shadows decided it was time to step out of the errm shadows with their '61 debut album The Shadows, the singles from which set them on the way to being the 5th biggest ever UK singles band. They also set an early template for the 4 piece instrument wielding band.


Singles

Though rock and soul were making limited impression on the album front, when it came to singles the story was a little different especially with Soul / RnB which was beginning to hit its straps, especially in the US.

The Mar-Keys song Last Night was the first national release from a Memphis based regional record label called Satellite. Unfortunately, there was already a Californian record label with the same name, so the label owners Jim Stewart and Estelle Axton went down the easy route and just rechristened their company with the first two letters of each of their surnames and a legendary soul label was born. The Mar-Key’s young guitarist was called Steve Cropper and though the Mar-Keys name would become something of a footnote, he stuck around at Stax and the next year in our musical journey we’ll see him join forces with another great to form the nucleus of arguably the greatest ever house band.

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Little does he know it but this young man (Steve Cropper)
will go on to play on many of the great records of the 1960s

Though he had not yet found his way to Stax, a young man called Otis Redding had moved on from working the Chitlin’ Circuit (which through the 30s into the 60s was a network of venues that allowed black performers to earn a living in a still segregated and often-hostile environment) to start recording some initial tracks.

Meanwhile over in Detroit the less cool of the two great emerging soul labels was doing ok as well! Berry Gordy Jnr took over a couple more buildings on West Grand Boulevard as he built Hitsville USA. On the musical front Mary Wells had early Motown hits where you could still hear the influence of doo wop. Hits on the Tamla label included The Marvelettes – Please Mr Postman, a song that would not become a hit in the UK for a number of years and then (as mentioned in another thread) like many others would be sung by a white artist.

In fact, though Ray Charles and Sam Cooke made dents in the UK charts it remained mostly the white American artists like Elvis, The Everly’s, Neil Sedaka and Booby Vee who were cutting over in the UK at this point.

Alongside these imports more young homegrown stars began to appear too including Adam Faith, and the ludicrously voiced Helen Shapiro. Listen to Walking Back to Happiness and register that you are listening to a 14-year-old schoolgirl, it's pretty insane. By the age of 15 she’d had 5 top ten hits and two number ones making Elvis and Cliff look like a pair of wasters who had just dossed around on the sofa in their mid-teens.

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Mr B made the point novelty songs were not always a thing of shame and they were common throughout the sixties but '61 was actually relatively slim pickings certainly for higher quality ones. Charlie Drake managed the quite mystifying feat of having a hit not only in the UK but in the US too with My Boomerang Won’t Come Back. Meanwhile, coming from the other direction, Baby Sittin’ Boogie by Buzz Clifford showed that the Crazy Frog generation did not invent nonsense gibbering as a form of entertainment.

In the wider world the Cold War got a little bit colder with the failed Bay of Pigs Invasion setting up the following years Cuban Missile Crisis. Culturally, that failure dented America’s post WWII internal and external image as an almost infallible superpower, which in turn helped spark the dissention that would come in part to define 60’s culture. American prestige took a further blow when Yuri Gagarin became the first man in space, prompting JFK to announce the intention to put a man on the moon before the end of the decade. Meanwhile on the ground, the Civil Rights Movement continued to gather pace but was still a way from achieving its objectives.

Closer to home, Pan-Africanism saw many more countries declare independence from the UK which itself applied to join the EEC but was turned downed as a result of De Gaulle's veto which he would again exercise in the late 60s.
By 1961 75% of UK houses had a TV and this increasingly shaped both how we entertained ourselves and how our music stars needed to present themselves to be part of that entertainment. Films like A Taste of Honey, presaged changing morality and willingness to discuss things that hitherto had been off limits.

Soon some of these events and shifts will spill over into societal/cultural change that will impact the music we are listening too. Along with the gradual erosion of the class system, who could make music and what they could make it about was beginning to change. This was not wholly visible yet and the charts were still not yet representative of the 60’s as we typically understand them now but nonetheless the seeds of the musical new world order were being sown. Back from Hamburg a certain band had changed their name to the one they would become world famous with, and Lunchtime at the Cavern with The Beatles became a thing. One lunchtime Brian Epstein came to see them and after convincing them that being scruffy buggers wasn't the way forward signed them up. Meanwhile two kids called Mick and Keith were establishing their shared love of music on that Dartford train platform.

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Lads the leathers are going to have to go. Oh and can I have a word please Pete?


But these are points for the future, for the time being in the UK we would need to be content with a few early soul classics like the newly solo Ben E King’s Stand by Me and a continuation of doo wop influenced pop. Hmmm…I wonder what UK #1 from May 61 I can finish with to illustrate this? Ah I have just the thing.

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Brilliant mate.
 
Prior to TS's inspiring and apposite introduction I had my selection The Marvelettes -Please Mr Postman bookmarked knowing that there was a high probability that TS would include it in his original list and he didn't disappoint me.

After all it was written or at least attributed to a female and sung by an all female group

Their debut single and first Motown number one hit single.

Covered by such diverse and immensely influential artists as The Beatles and The Carpenters its place in music history is immutably etched.

It set the tone for a city to be basically known only for cars and music from arguably the most influential label of its time.

On the theme of inspiring music my selection is now Roy Orbison and his classic Crying.

1961 would not be anywhere near complete unless you had a song penned by Roy Orbison and Joe Melson included.
 
threespires said:
A little thought...if people don't mind others knowing their age it might be nice when we get to the year they were born to nominate the song that was #1 the week of their birth. Mine will be pretty dire but was nonetheless mind bogglingly successful.
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So that would be Helen Shapiro with "You Don't Know." although Walking Back to Happiness is already on the playlist and is the more recognisable song. This one was her first number 1. In the following year my sister-in-law would be named after her.

In the album chart it was still South Pacific - which I nominated in 1960. Number 2 was The Black and White Minstrel Show, It feels so far away from Rock Evolution and yet others were busy appropriating other forms of black music so I suppose it should get a listen - I would suggest "A Tribute to Al Jolson" as my Dad liked Al Jolson (as did Asa Hartford's Dad, hence his name - so we have a City connection). My other tenuous connection to B&W Minstrels was that my Dad's pal from the army would later dance with B&W Minstrels and despite the makeup he could spot him on the television. However, his association with B&W Minstrels doesn't get a mention in his obituary - but his National Service does. By 2010 it wasn't a piece of work to be associated with!
 
stan bowles said:
Always felt sorry (if that's the right word) for Helen Shapiro. Had 2 Number 1s by the age of 15 and then within 18 months her chart hits had dried up. I mean, how do you deal with it all being over for you by the age of 16 and you're yesterday's news ? I'm not saying she wasn't talented (she clearly was) or she didn't have a career afterwards - just one of those rapid rises and equally rapid falls in the annals of popular music.
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I guess this is part of the reason why so many pop artists at the time would be astonished if you said they'd still be playing 60 years later! Pop music back then was throwaway music for teens and wasn't expected to have any longevity. It's only later in the decade when it starts to become recognised as a "genuine art form" that it gets taken seriously I guess?

Even so it's quite astonishing what happened to her and I can't imagine there was any support for her to deal with the crash back to earth - and I bet there were plenty more just like her too.
 
cyan said:
So that would be Helen Shapiro with "You Don't Know." although Walking Back to Happiness is already on the playlist and is the more recognisable song. This one was her first number 1. In the following year my sister-in-law would be named after her.

In the album chart it was still South Pacific - which I nominated in 1960. Number 2 was The Black and White Minstrel Show, It feels so far away from Rock Evolution and yet others were busy appropriating other forms of black music so I suppose it should get a listen - I would suggest "A Tribute to Al Jolson" as my Dad liked Al Jolson (as did Asa Hartford's Dad, hence his name - so we have a City connection). My other tenuous connection to B&W Minstrels was that my Dad's pal from the army would later dance with B&W Minstrels and despite the makeup he could spot him on the television. However, his association with B&W Minstrels doesn't get a mention in his obituary - but his National Service does. By 2010 it wasn't a piece of work to be associated with!
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Have put both in, the playlist can reflect Shapiro's rapid ascent! Apparently Asa was born the day after Jolson died so that sealed the deal on the name. I don't think Asa has done an autobiography has he? It's a shame cause I reckon he'd have one of the more entertaining ones, in an interview he talks about his school days and instead of just talking about football he mentions stuff like the school caretaker being a communist. He's got enough career material and enough about him beyond football that it would be a good read.

RobMCFC said:
“The Wanderer” - Dion
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I have a thing for songs that just don't put a foot wrong anywhere along the way and are as exactly as they should be. There aren't that many imo, but this definitely comes in that category a cracker.


RandolphMABlue said:
Thanks for another great discussion! I have a number of great candidates for the playlist, but I will start off with one of the great country/pop crossovers of that (or any) era. A great track by a singer whose voice, style and phrasing were remarkable and whose songs still bring joy to the heart and a tear to the eye . . .

I Fall to Pieces - Patsy Cline
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I need to be crass and make the observation that at the time I Fall to Pieces was climbing the charts, Cline was in hospital herself having gone through the windscreen after a head on collision with another car. Apparently despite being badly injured she insisted on the occupants of the other vehicle being dealt with first. At one point they were worried Cline wouldn't make it but mercifully she recovered though sadly not all the occupants of the other car did.

More to the point as you say this track showcases the beautiful, seemingly effortless, control she had over her voice.

mancity111 said:
Prior to TS's inspiring and apposite introduction I had my selection The Marvelettes -Please Mr Postman bookmarked knowing that there was a high probability that TS would include it in his original list and he didn't disappoint me.

After all it was written or at least attributed to a female and sung by an all female group

On the theme of inspiring music my selection is now Roy Orbison and his classic Crying.

1961 would not be anywhere near complete unless you had a song penned by Roy Orbison and Joe Melson included.
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There are some very talented but forgotten women in the 60's I've got one lined up for 1963 and I'll wager that a few have never heard of her :-( Crying is indeed a classic and '63 will also be the year for another Orbison/Melson song that I love.
 
ok...one very early Blue Beat / Ska record...'Luke Lane Shuffle / Little Honey'...Rico Rodriques and Prince Buster. 1961.
Calypso was morphing into Ska...some big ska records were to follow early 6t's.
 
threespires said:
Have put both in, the playlist can reflect Shapiro's rapid ascent! Apparently Asa was born the day after Jolson died so that sealed the deal on the name. I don't think Asa has done an autobiography has he? It's a shame cause I reckon he'd have one of the more entertaining ones, in an interview he talks about his school days and instead of just talking about football he mentions stuff like the school caretaker being a communist. He's got enough career material and enough about him beyond football that it would be a good read.
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He's a Bankie - we are all communists (well part from my Mum). My Gran knew Asa's Mum from somewhere not sure if she was a neighbour or from work - but it's the sort of town where everyone knew everyone. So Asa's career was always watched with interest.
 
@threespires did mention a few weeks ago the Gibson SG. You'd definitely recognise this guitar as being played by rock stars like Richards, ACDC and Jack Black in School of Rock. It has arguably the most iconic rock guitar aesthetic if you discount a flying V. This was the guitar that arguably kick started the UK blues rock explosion when Sister Rosetta Thorpe played one in Manchester! But that's not until 1964 which follows on from my 1960 post about history being messy and things which happen in one year won't prove to be significant for a few more years.

To this year's picks - Last Night is banger such a fun little song. The Wanderer is a proto rock anthem about picking up chick's and getting into fights. It reminded me very much of Every Picture Tells A Story from the Rod Stewart album - thematically it's very similar.
 
mrbelfry said:
@threespires did mention a few weeks ago the Gibson SG. You'd definitely recognise this guitar as being played by rock stars like Richards, ACDC and Jack Black in School of Rock. It has arguably the most iconic rock guitar aesthetic if you discount a flying V. This was the guitar that arguably kick started the UK blues rock explosion when Sister Rosetta Thorpe played one in Manchester! But that's not until 1964 which follows on from my 1960 post about history being messy and things which happen in one year won't prove to be significant for a few more years.

To this year's picks - Last Night is banger such a fun little song. The Wanderer is a proto rock anthem about picking up chick's and getting into fights. It reminded me very much of Every Picture Tells A Story from the Rod Stewart album - thematically it's very similar.
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In my cognitive decline I am grateful for your help young Belfry! I was indeed going to mention 61 as the date of the SG's introduction and I think you are spot on to mention Sister Rosetta's as having the first iconic one with that white Les Paul SG. Interestingly Les Paul couldn't stand it which is why his name was dropped from the model fairly early on. The SG was supposed to completely replace the original Les Paul as a more manageable guitar but they had to reintroduce the original as stars kept picking them up second hand and playing them anyway.

As for what's the most iconic rock guitar aesthetic, that's a great question. The SG is definitely in with a shout but I think it's one of those eye of the beholder things; I know people who think it's the Tele for the simplicity and minimalism etc. Personally I love the Casino and the Jazzmaster, also have a soft spot for the Thinline Tele's.

mrbelfry said:
Again proving history is a pain in the ass. The guitar player on It's Going To Work Out Fine is Sylvia Robinson who later produced Rappers Delight by Sugarhill Gang and founded Sugarhill Records.
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It's funny you mention her. In putting together this year I found myself reflecting on some of the great records that we'd missed out in the introductions and one of them was Love is Strange by Mickey and Sylvia, still think it sounds good today.
 
threespires said:
In my cognitive decline I am grateful for your help young Belfry! I was indeed going to mention 61 as the date of the SG's introduction and I think you are spot on to mention Sister Rosetta's as having the first iconic one with that white Les Paul SG. Interestingly Les Paul couldn't stand it which is why his name was dropped from the model fairly early on. The SG was supposed to completely replace the original Les Paul as a more manageable guitar but they had to reintroduce the original as stars kept picking them up second hand and playing them anyway.

As for what's the most iconic rock guitar aesthetic, that's a great question. The SG is definitely in with a shout but I think it's one of those eye of the beholder things; I know people who think it's the Tele for the simplicity and minimalism etc. Personally I love the Casino and the Jazzmaster, also have a soft spot for the Thinline Tele's.



It's funny you mention her. In putting together this year I found myself reflecting on some of the great records that we'd missed out in the introductions and one of them was Love is Strange by Mickey and Sylvia, still think it sounds good today.
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I think the Casino was also released in 61. Any guitar strapped to one of the Beatles is going to be iconic although I'm not personally a fan of how the Hofner looks
 
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