Rooney Charged 2 game Ban

[OrigamiNinja]

The thing is although him saying it on a City forum might not go down to well I actually think it is a relevant question. City are sat 3rd but you will find threads all over this site which contain posts from unhappy City fans because many believe that with the squad we have we should be performing better. Im sure if you ask Arsenal fans how they think the season has gone they will probably believe that they have somewhat thrown away a golden chance at winning the title. Ask Chelsea fans and they bemoan a mid season slump when at one stage it looked like they would run away with it.

You may not want to hear it but United sitting top of the table owes as much to the rest of the league being poor as it does to United performing well.

No it doesn't. All the premiership managers were surveyed a month or two ago, and asked why the season had been so tight and unpredictable. 7% said it was because the top clubs had got weaker. 70% said that it was because the other clubs had become stronger.
United are at the top because they've edged more games than anyone else. In doing so, they've used the psychological edge they've built up over the last 15 years to get out of jail repeatedly. When they go two down at West Ham, it's not about the belief amongst Utd players that they can mount a come back, it's about the fear in West Ham's eyes the first time they are put under pressure.

It's what causes Bolton to spurn the best chance of the match after 85 minutes of 0-0, and it's what causes their goalkeeper to spill a simple ball thirty seconds later.

You cant honestly expect the likes of Taggart and Wenger to say that their team had actually got weaker? Mancini is trying to secure his job for years to come so he is hardly going to say that his team has gotten worse since he took over. The easy option is for these managers to say that the league has got stronger.

I agree United are top because they have edged more games than other teams but how many times over the years have United had to edge teams out? Hardly ever. Look at Uniteds away record this season.....poor and would have been a whole lot worse if the likes of Blackpool and West Ham (two teams that are no good) hadnt capitulated.

The league is as competitive as it has ever been but that is on the whole down to the top teams getting worse rather than the lower teams getting better!

 

[Jackson-ctid]

Arsenal and City have a better squad than United. Fact.

You have a similar grasp of facts to the fat Spanish waiter.

Man for man, we have a better squad. Anyone who disputes that, is dumb.

Van der Sar v Joe Hart = VDS

Rafael v Richards = Richards
Kompany v Vidic = Draw
Rio v Lescott = Draw
Evra v Kolarov = Evra

Fletcher v de Jong = de Jong
Scholes v Yaya = Scholes
Valencia v Johnson = Johnson
Nani v Silva = Draw

Rooney v Tevez = Draw
Chicharito v Balotelli = Balotelli
Berbatov v Dzeko = Dzeko


Not basing that on current form but proven ability, I think any neutral would see that City have the better team; especially with the fact that the majority of our team is considerably younger than yours. If our team had the same ammount of experience playing together as yours, we would be a lot better than we are currently.

That's the way I see it anyway, obviously you'll disagree

 

[Viva Rivaldo]

Rafael v Richards = Richards
That's the way I see it anyway, obviously you'll disagree

Of course I disagree. If we agreed, it wouldn't be any fun.

I'll take issue with this one. Richards fails to get into the England squad ahead of the backup right-back....Jagielka.

Rafael, at 20 years of age, made it into the Brazil squad. But hey, it's not like they've got any good right-backs is it? Oh wait.

And I think Berbatov's a better player than Dzeko. What exactly has Dzeko proven, outside of the Bundesliga?

And Nani has averaged a goal or an assist in every single game that he's played this season, including internationals. I think he's better than Silva.

Ferdinand equal to Lescott? We kept a clean sheet at Stamford Bridge with him in the side, after we've been leaking goals recently. Is that just a coincidence? No, it's because he's a fantastic defender, and awesome at marshalling the back four. Lescott is an average defender, in my opinion.

Vidic equal to Kompany? I'd say Vidic is a bit better, but Kompany will be as good, if not better, when he reaches his age.

Balotelli is more talented than Hernandez, but I'd still rather have the latter.

 

[Fame Monster]

Arsenal and City have a better squad than United. Fact.

United have one of, if not the best manager in the world. Fact.

Nail on the head.

 

[Jackson-ctid]

Rafael v Richards = Richards
That's the way I see it anyway, obviously you'll disagree

Of course I disagree. If we agreed, it wouldn't be any fun.

I'll take issue with this one. Richards fails to get into the England squad ahead of the backup right-back....Jagielka.

Rafael, at 20 years of age, made it into the Brazil squad. But hey, it's not like they've got any good right-backs is it? Oh wait.

And I think Berbatov's a better player than Dzeko. What exactly has Dzeko proven, outside of the Bundesliga?

And Nani has averaged a goal or an assist in every single game that he's played this season, including internationals. I think he's better than Silva.

Ferdinand equal to Lescott? We kept a clean sheet at Stamford Bridge with him in the side, after we've been leaking goals recently. Is that just a coincidence? No, it's because he's a fantastic defender, and awesome at marshalling the back four. Lescott is an average defender, in my opinion.

Vidic equal to Kompany? I'd say Vidic is a bit better, but Kompany will be as good, if not better, when he reaches his age.

Balotelli is more talented than Hernandez, but I'd still rather have the latter.

I'm basing on proven ability, not current form. Dzeko has more proven ability than Berbatov, just not in the premiership yet.

Okay, Vidic is marginally better than Kompany, I'll give you that.

Balotelli is more talented than Hernandez and has the proven ability, he's won the champions league at the age of 19.

Lescott is far from average, he's a consistent defender who knows how to mark his man well, he times his tackles well and his only downfall is that his passing isn't consistent with the rest of the team. Ferdinand is past it imo and he only looks good because he also has Vidic.

Silva is better than Nani, not by a long way but better, he may have averaged a goal or an assist every other game but that is because of the way United play and the fact that your attackers are meant to get on the end of crosses, ours aren't. Nani is an excellent player but Silva is better, it would be at a stretch to say that Nani is as good as Silva. I could add that he's also a World Cup winner at the age of 23 but that would be unfair as he's Spanish...

Richards and Rafael is a no contest, Rafael only gets into Brazil's "reserve" games because he plays for United, no other reason. To even insinuate that he rivals Dani Alves and Maicon for a position in the Brazil squad is ludicrous. I have no idea why Richards isn't in the England squad, but he really should be. He's twice the player of Jagielka.

I'm well aware that your squad plays better than ours but let's say for example's sake, that each group of players was put in a video game and all outside factors were put aside, City have a better group of players.

 

[persvenality cult]

No it doesn't. All the premiership managers were surveyed a month or two ago, and asked why the season had been so tight and unpredictable. 7% said it was because the top clubs had got weaker. 70% said that it was because the other clubs had become stronger.
United are at the top because they've edged more games than anyone else. In doing so, they've used the psychological edge they've built up over the last 15 years to get out of jail repeatedly. When they go two down at West Ham, it's not about the belief amongst Utd players that they can mount a come back, it's about the fear in West Ham's eyes the first time they are put under pressure.

It's what causes Bolton to spurn the best chance of the match after 85 minutes of 0-0, and it's what causes their goalkeeper to spill a simple ball thirty seconds later.

You cant honestly expect the likes of Taggart and Wenger to say that their team had actually got weaker? Mancini is trying to secure his job for years to come so he is hardly going to say that his team has gotten worse since he took over. The easy option is for these managers to say that the league has got stronger.

You're talking about two or three managers. Seventy percent of twenty is fourteen. And with respect it's pure and utter speculation.

I agree United are top because they have edged more games than other teams but how many times over the years have United had to edge teams out? Hardly ever.

They absolutely have won league titles in the same way before, stringing together 1-0's in February and March. What about the years when they weren't even good enough to scrape through?

I guess I'm saying that Utd might not be quite as strong on paper this year but we're not playing on paper. They are making up the difference by taking every tiny advantage.

Look at Uniteds away record this season.....poor and would have been a whole lot worse if the likes of Blackpool and West Ham (two teams that are no good) hadnt capitulated.

Well of course it would be worse, but it isn't. I'm not following you.

The league is as competitive as it has ever been but that is on the whole down to the top teams getting worse rather than the lower teams getting better!

In summary I don't believe you've offered any argument as to why.

The traditionally weaker teams have achieved (slightly) better results against those at the top of the table. How on earth do you know if the small clubs are getting better or the big teams are getting weaker?

All I have to go on are the opinions of the managers, the fact that these top teams have the same players and managers as they did a year ago so are no weaker on paper, and the fact these top teams are still doing just as well in the Champions league.

 

[BusterPhillips]

Trying not to be bias but Richards is in my opinion one of the best RB's in the league right now, Capello must need to go to spec savers..

Rapheal(sp), his biggest talent is being a dirty little twat.

 

[Viva Rivaldo]

I'm well aware that your squad plays better than ours but let's say for example's sake, that each group of players was put in a video game and all outside factors were put aside, City have a better group of players.

You can play the game on paper, you can play it as a video game...or you could look at the league table, and the performances of the players this season.

We'll agree to disagree as you'll never convince me, and I'll never convince you. You do make some good points, but you also make some ridiculous ones.

 

[blueinsa]

I'm well aware that your squad plays better than ours but let's say for example's sake, that each group of players was put in a video game and all outside factors were put aside, City have a better group of players.

You can play the game on paper, you can play it as a video game...or you could look at the league table, and the performances of the players this season.

We'll agree to disagree as you'll never convince me, and I'll never convince you. You do make some good points, but you also make some ridiculous ones.

For me, stick Fergie in charge of our squad this season and we win the league without a doubt such is the quality i believe we possess and likewise, stick Mancini in charge of your lot and i think top 4 yes but no more than that.

Sure i am bigging up Fergie but i too think we have a better squad and its the magic of Fergie that is keeping you guys as top dogs.

 

[Jackson-ctid]

I'm well aware that your squad plays better than ours but let's say for example's sake, that each group of players was put in a video game and all outside factors were put aside, City have a better group of players.

You can play the game on paper, you can play it as a video game...or you could look at the league table, and the performances of the players this season.

We'll agree to disagree as you'll never convince me, and I'll never convince you. You do make some good points, but you also make some ridiculous ones.

I'm not claiming that City have a better team because we do not, as a collective team, United are better because they've got the winning mentality, the experience of winning, the experience of playing together for such a long time, a manager who's been with the club for 20+ years and a manager who knows exactly what he's doing.

I stated that man for man, we have a better group of players and so do Arsenal, I stand by that. All the daft bastards on sadcafe who've quoted the post and decided to have a giggle should read what I actually wrote.

 

[jimharri]

....All the daft bastards on sadcafe who've quoted the post and decided to have a giggle should read what I actually wrote.

I wouldn't give what is posted on there a second thought. Home for the bewildered, that place.

 

[samharris]

Arsenal and City have a better squad than United. Fact.

United have one of, if not the best manager in the world. Fact.

Was it the manager who has scored the goals? Oh I remember Fergies scissor kick in the derby.

Give your head a wobble.

Did you really post that or are you on a wind up.??<br /><br />-- Thu Apr 07, 2011 5:51 pm --<br /><br />

Trying not to be bias but Richards is in my opinion one of the best RB's in the league right now, Capello must need to go to spec savers..

Rapheal(sp), his biggest talent is being a dirty little twat.

Tried taking out Drogba last night and did his knee in..bwahahaha

 

[waspish]

Fergie!!! Before he came to your club! Your club you had then was a million miles away from what the club is now! Liverpool laughed at your trophy haul and took the Mick! 26 years don't you think that is embarrassing? 1 person got your leagues and cups you have now! And when he goes what's to say you won't go back to before Fergie came?!

Like I was saying, historically, there's a boom and bust cycle.

Logic suggests that we won't be as successful when we lose one of the best managers in history. We'll still have huge expectations though, regardless of who's in charge. You're right, we have come on leaps and bounds under Fergie, but we're one of the biggest clubs in the world now, and sensible decision making after he leaves could ensure that it stays that way.

Sensible post! from a rag!

I feel though your board will have to be very strong after Fergie goes! because your fans will be moaning like fuck if your new manager, god forbid was to lose 3 games on the bounce!...............................

 

[lee-mcfc]

are the rags still here?

 

[waspish]

are the rags still here?

they've gone you can come out from behind the sofa now!

 

[Viva Rivaldo]

Boo.

 

[City Raider]

The evidence is there for all to see the success you've had in the past and well done for that, but things are changing, the tide is turning.

Move over as there's a new kid in town.......................

What I don't get from some of you City fans is why you think that your team getting better somehow ensures United's downfall.

Sure, you're now more competitive, will probably win trophies, perhaps even beat us more often, but in my opinion it's just like when Chelsea got all rich. We'll still be challenging for the trophies, and to think otherwise is not only naive, but arrogant.

We only bought three youngsters in the summer, 1 of whom has already been condemned as a flop, and we're still challenging on three fronts. Success is a hell of a lot more than finding the right players.

It is, but Fergie has had years to assemble his latest team, spending a fortune in the process. Read 'Pay as you play' and you'll find, based on inflation, that you have 3 of the most expensive teams in PL history - including this one.

There are 2 issues here, You have only had to improve 1-2 positions per season because of previous spending. We've had to do it in one hit.

More importantly though, you are now being forced to improve these 1 or 2 positions by buying the youngsters you talk of as the impact of the Glazers really begins to have an effect. This summer will be very interesting, you need a new keeper, Scholes/Giggs replacements and if Wio's back carries on the way it is - are you confident Smalling is the answer?

The point is you can not expect to only bring in 2-3 youngsters every summer and keep challenging. You are challenging now because of previous spending on Wio/Shrek/Berbatov etc. Time will eventually find you out.

 

[u2fme2]

well i hold my hands up i throught the FA would bottle it

 

[samharris]

well i hold my hands up i throught the FA would bottle it

They needed to set a benchmark and have done so..2 game ban for Rooney and for anyone else in future stupid enough to do what he did.

 

[Freestyler]

what goes around, comes around shrek.