bluechampion7891 said:ManCityX said:BigOscar said:Again, how is it a sensible arguament to say "we've bought dross in the past, so we shouldn't really worry about how good the people we are signing are"? That makes no sense. If we've spent badly, then we need to be more circumspect, not less.
You don't get it at all. We all want Pogba, Bale and Messi but when you can't get those players that's when you need the alternatives. Barkley is an alternative that could potentially become a much better player than what we have been bringing in. If you don't think so then name the young player we could bring in and could potentially be top class.
Koke, Kondogbia, Schniderlin, Sterling, Depay, De Bruyne just to name a few
The real top class players are £40 million upwards nowadays and still doesn't guarantee success !BigOscar said:If you are going to "gamble" on a player that isn't top class, then they shouldn't cost the same as the people who are. That's the problem with Barkley. If he was some £10-15m player, you could argue that he's got potential and he's worth a gamble, but the reality is that he would cost the same as someone who is actually great, instead of someone who is little more than a punt. Lopes shows just as much, if not more potential than Barkley as an attacking midfielder and we already have him, free of charge. If we think he's a central midfielder, then there are plenty of better ones who would cost the same or less, like Pjanic, Gundogan, Kondogbia, Schneiderlein and plenty of others.ManCityX said:BigOscar said:Again, how is it a sensible arguament to say "we've bought dross in the past, so we shouldn't really worry about how good the people we are signing are"? That makes no sense. If we've spent badly, then we need to be more circumspect, not less.
You don't get it at all. We all want Pogba, Bale and Messi but when you can't get those players that's when you need the alternatives. Barkley is an alternative that could potentially become a much better player than what we have been bringing in. If you don't think so then name the young player we could bring in and could potentially be top class.
ManCityX said:bluechampion7891 said:ManCityX said:You don't get it at all. We all want Pogba, Bale and Messi but when you can't get those players that's when you need the alternatives. Barkley is an alternative that could potentially become a much better player than what we have been bringing in. If you don't think so then name the young player we could bring in and could potentially be top class.
Koke, Kondogbia, Schniderlin, Sterling, Depay, De Bruyne just to name a few
Sterling plays a different position to Barkley and the others, with maybe the exception of Koke, are just wild hopes because they have foreign names. They would be no better signing than Bony is.
First choice: Pogba
Second choice: Barkley
First Choice: Bale
Second choice: Sterling.
We all want Pogba, Bale and Messi but when you can't get those players that's when you need the alternatives.
BigOscar said:If you are going to "gamble" on a player that isn't top class, then they shouldn't cost the same as the people who are. That's the problem with Barkley. If he was some £10-15m player, you could argue that he's got potential and he's worth a gamble, but the reality is that he would cost the same as someone who is actually great, instead of someone who is little more than a punt. Lopes shows just as much, if not more potential than Barkley as an attacking midfielder and we already have him, free of charge. If we think he's a central midfielder, then there are plenty of better ones who would cost the same or less, like Pjanic, Gundogan, Kondogbia, Schneiderlein and plenty of others.ManCityX said:BigOscar said:Again, how is it a sensible arguament to say "we've bought dross in the past, so we shouldn't really worry about how good the people we are signing are"? That makes no sense. If we've spent badly, then we need to be more circumspect, not less.
You don't get it at all. We all want Pogba, Bale and Messi but when you can't get those players that's when you need the alternatives. Barkley is an alternative that could potentially become a much better player than what we have been bringing in. If you don't think so then name the young player we could bring in and could potentially be top class.
Interesting guarantee, how do you know how much I've seen him play? (you clearly don't have a clue)ManCityX said:BigOscar said:If you are going to "gamble" on a player that isn't top class, then they shouldn't cost the same as the people who are. That's the problem with Barkley. If he was some £10-15m player, you could argue that he's got potential and he's worth a gamble, but the reality is that he would cost the same as someone who is actually great, instead of someone who is little more than a punt. Lopes shows just as much, if not more potential than Barkley as an attacking midfielder and we already have him, free of charge. If we think he's a central midfielder, then there are plenty of better ones who would cost the same or less, like Pjanic, Gundogan, Kondogbia, Schneiderlein and plenty of others.ManCityX said:You don't get it at all. We all want Pogba, Bale and Messi but when you can't get those players that's when you need the alternatives. Barkley is an alternative that could potentially become a much better player than what we have been bringing in. If you don't think so then name the young player we could bring in and could potentially be top class.
That list at the end. Jesus Christ mate. That's the exact sort of player we have been buying which has been fucking us up.
I knew you'd bring up Lopes. I guarantee that you've barely even seen him play.
Barkley would be a gamble of sorts but if we can't sign Messi, Ronaldo, Pogba and Bale then you have to make gambles of sorts. We just bought Bony for nearly 30 million and nobody cried about that, despite the fact we have three other strikers on the books. Bony might turn out to not even be as good as Dzeko, we don't know yet.
I've seen plenty of them, along with plenty of games for our reserves, all his games for our first team and a lot of games at various youth levels for Portugal. I'm fairly confident that I've seen him play far more times than you've seen Barkley play (I won't guarantee it, as I have no idea what you do with your time)ManCityX said:I know you'll say you have but it's unlikely you've seen many of his Lille performances.
It's not exactly a secret on here that I'm a big fan of Portuguese football, it's not sudden at all.ManCityX said:Keep telling yourself that. I knew you'd suddenly become a season ticket holder of the Portuguese youth system.