Rotherham child abuse scandal

sir baconface said:
nijinsky's fetlocks said:
Tragic as this case undoubtedly is, sadly it comes as no great surprise to many of us who have worked in child protection over the last 25 years, and will almost certainly prove to be just the tip of a very large iceberg, as this template was the norm for many local authorities across not only the north of England, but the whole country.
I have worked with victims of organised sexual abuse, and some of their recollections are truly horrendous and harrowing, but before anyone hangs out individual social workers to dry, one factor is almost always constant in every case - the social workers were aware of what was going on, and they submitted reports highlighting their concerns, recommended that vulnerable children were placed in local authority care where appropriate, and legal action taken against the perpetrators, yet nothing was done.
And given that many of these victims were already LOC cases, this should have been a police matter from the outset, as the local authority was clearly neglectful in carrying out its duty of care to those abused.
As most of you know, my politics are way left of centre but, without wishing to make this a simple issue of race or ethnicity, it is undeniable that there was a culture amongst some elements of the Asian community which accepted the exploitation of vulnerable white girls, and to deny this does neither the authorities or the victims any favours, because to the best of my knowledge, only two victims of sexual exploitation I have ever known have been Asian girls, and that's out of a list of several thousand.
Obviously this will come as manna from heaven from some elements on the extreme right who will try to use the abuse of white kids for their own political purposes, and that needs to be shown for the shameless opportunism it is, but equally the left can't bury their heads in the sand here and pretend that race didn't play a pivotal role here, because it clearly did.
The vast majority of the Pakistani community in Rotherham and elsewhere will be as appalled by these cases of grooming as the rest of us, but they have to face the fact that a problem exists where some criminal elements target 'problem' girls as fair game.
What really needs to happen is for heads of department in child protection to act upon the reports made by their social workers on the ground - they are the ones who deal with victims on a first hand basis, and all they can do is flag up their concerns, and make the appropriate recommendations - they don't have the power to intervene as such, and they rely on both their immediate superiors and agencies such as the police and the probation service to adopt a more joined-up-thinking multi-agency approach wherever concerns are expressed, but this just isn't happening, and social workers are frustrated beyond belief when they compile a huge dossier of alleged abuse, only for it to gather dust further up the food chain.
Just why this incredible amount of cases wasn't taken seriously and acted upon by the police defies logic, and in my opinion it's the senior members of the South Yorkshire police force who should be held accountable here, as they have been aware of this situation for years and chose to do nothing, although given their considerable track record of abrogating responsibility, I'm not holding my breath, and as usual we will probably see a couple of social workers with colossal case loads who genuinely highlighted their concerns hung out to dry, rather than those who actually had the power to act losing their jobs, because unfortunately that's what always happens.
And the biggest culprits for scapegoating social workers to protect their own lazy and incompetent arses is the police force.
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A good, well-balanced post.

My horror (and I suspect that of several posters) is that political correctness has gone so deep as to interfere in such cases. The ethnicity of these criminals is secondary to the fact that ethnicity became the barrier.

On a wider note, accountability in the public sector remains a huge issue. And that goes right to the top. It's up to the politicians and senior managers to put in place a proper system. This sort of shit is a lot more important than much of the trivia that currently exercises them.

Unfortunately there are more votes in glitzy policies than in competent, day-to-day administration.
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They're not likely to do that though are they? Cos that means that they also could be held to account..............
 
nijinsky's fetlocks said:
Tragic as this case undoubtedly is, sadly it comes as no great surprise to many of us who have worked in child protection over the last 25 years, and will almost certainly prove to be just the tip of a very large iceberg, as this template was the norm for many local authorities across not only the north of England, but the whole country.
I have worked with victims of organised sexual abuse, and some of their recollections are truly horrendous and harrowing, but before anyone hangs out individual social workers to dry, one factor is almost always constant in every case - the social workers were aware of what was going on, and they submitted reports highlighting their concerns, recommended that vulnerable children were placed in local authority care where appropriate, and legal action taken against the perpetrators, yet nothing was done.
And given that many of these victims were already LOC cases, this should have been a police matter from the outset, as the local authority was clearly neglectful in carrying out its duty of care to those abused.
As most of you know, my politics are way left of centre but, without wishing to make this a simple issue of race or ethnicity, it is undeniable that there was a culture amongst some elements of the Asian community which accepted the exploitation of vulnerable white girls, and to deny this does neither the authorities or the victims any favours, because to the best of my knowledge, only two victims of sexual exploitation I have ever known have been Asian girls, and that's out of a list of several thousand.
Obviously this will come as manna from heaven from some elements on the extreme right who will try to use the abuse of white kids for their own political purposes, and that needs to be shown for the shameless opportunism it is, but equally the left can't bury their heads in the sand here and pretend that race didn't play a pivotal role here, because it clearly did.
The vast majority of the Pakistani community in Rotherham and elsewhere will be as appalled by these cases of grooming as the rest of us, but they have to face the fact that a problem exists where some criminal elements target 'problem' girls as fair game.
What really needs to happen is for heads of department in child protection to act upon the reports made by their social workers on the ground - they are the ones who deal with victims on a first hand basis, and all they can do is flag up their concerns, and make the appropriate recommendations - they don't have the power to intervene as such, and they rely on both their immediate superiors and agencies such as the police and the probation service to adopt a more joined-up-thinking multi-agency approach wherever concerns are expressed, but this just isn't happening, and social workers are frustrated beyond belief when they compile a huge dossier of alleged abuse, only for it to gather dust further up the food chain.
Just why this incredible amount of cases wasn't taken seriously and acted upon by the police defies logic, and in my opinion it's the senior members of the South Yorkshire police force who should be held accountable here, as they have been aware of this situation for years and chose to do nothing, although given their considerable track record of abrogating responsibility, I'm not holding my breath, and as usual we will probably see a couple of social workers with colossal case loads who genuinely highlighted their concerns hung out to dry, rather than those who actually had the power to act losing their jobs, because unfortunately that's what always happens.
And the biggest culprits for scapegoating social workers to protect their own lazy and incompetent arses is the police force.
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Please take the time to read this post.
 
There are many valid points being made on this subject. However, having read the majority of the posts, I find there is one area which has not been mentioned, yet which in my opinion should play a major part not only in the abuse of these children but in all areas of society.

In my humble opinion the asian community must assume a large part of the responsibility. They will not cooperate with any authority unless it is to claim for whatever they can. This stems from the top namely the British Muslim Council. How often do they speak out against their own even when they are aware of the failings of Muslims in this country and abroad. I am not a racist, although incidents like this could sway people very easily.

I will give you a couple of examples to support my view. Firstly, in the last week I contacted the Muslim Council over the massacres being carried out by IS. Briefly i said that I was surprised they had not spoken out and in my opinion it was harmful to relations between different cultures in our country. I received a reply drawing my attention to a small article on their website. I replied saying that very few non Muslims would be likely to visit the site, and would a press statement to the mainstream media not do more good. I have not received a reply.

Second example I employ Carers to take care of my disabled wife. One a lady of Pakistan origin an excellent carer and a real grafter. She has been shunned by a large percentage of her community why? Simple they do not believe she should work but should claim benefits, which she could do as a widow. One of her relatives said and I quote claim everything for the 200 years of what they did to us .

I am sure that others on this site could express this better, but I'm sure you get the point I'm trying to make.

Finally, our elected government has got it's head well and truly below the parapet and saying not our problem.
 
fishwick said:
There are many valid points being made on this subject. However, having read the majority of the posts, I find there is one area which has not been mentioned, yet which in my opinion should play a major part not only in the abuse of these children but in all areas of society.

In my humble opinion the asian community must assume a large part of the responsibility. They will not cooperate with any authority unless it is to claim for whatever they can. This stems from the top namely the British Muslim Council. How often do they speak out against their own even when they are aware of the failings of Muslims in this country and abroad. I am not a racist, although incidents like this could sway people very easily.

I will give you a couple of examples to support my view. Firstly, in the last week I contacted the Muslim Council over the massacres being carried out by IS. Briefly i said that I was surprised they had not spoken out and in my opinion it was harmful to relations between different cultures in our country. I received a reply drawing my attention to a small article on their website. I replied saying that very few non Muslims would be likely to visit the site, and would a press statement to the mainstream media not do more good. I have not received a reply.

Second example I employ Carers to take care of my disabled wife. One a lady of Pakistan origin an excellent carer and a real grafter. She has been shunned by a large percentage of her community why? Simple they do not believe she should work but should claim benefits, which she could do as a widow. One of her relatives said and I quote claim everything for the 200 years of what they did to us .

I am sure that others on this site could express this better, but I'm sure you get the point I'm trying to make.

Finally, our elected government has got it's head well and truly below the parapet and saying not our problem.
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Maybe they have and the press(for whatever reason) have decided not to run with it?

I've lost count of the number of press releases I've written, none have ever been published in Britain.

I'm failing to see what the two instances you've cited have to do with this case though.
 
This is not a problem of one society one ethnicity its far bigger than that.its not the UK authorities that have failed but humanity have collectively failed to deal with this issue,if stats are pulled out from all over the world it will really raise a few eyebrows to how deep the filth of this problem lies..
We made UN so that we could solve the wordly issues but it failed miserably not only on political aspects but socially aswell
There should be un conference on the issue and the objective should be how to deal with issues such as child abuse and rape of women (stats of which would also be remarkably high if an independent fact finding commission is in place )
We need to deal with these collectively that's our only hope if we really want to eliminate the issue
 
Sorry Crab paste, don't have the knowledge to post as you did..

Im sure if they had tried to issue a press release it would have been actioned because to not do so would have them shouting Racist. I was simply trying to make the point that in my opinion they have a way of living that they expect all to abide by. Simply put keep it in house, close your eyes to what's going on. I am sorry I cannot subscribe to the theory that some of the elders at least did not know what was going on. I am obviously not making my point clearly for which I apologise.
 
When the police come down harsh on white gangs organising child rape for money and turn a blind eye to Asian gangs doing the same thing, it's not a massive surprise that Asian gangs end up representing the majority of criminals carrying out that particular crime. I can honestly understand why the police may occasionally turn a blind eye to certain crimes in order to ensure community support in tackling bigger social issues, but child rape? Really? That's one of the things we're going to let slide in the name of community cohesion now is it? Not only is it disgusting in the extreme, but it's a fucking insult to all of the Asian people who are as disgusted by this crime as everyone else, that they would somehow kick off if an organised gang of child rapists was dealt with by the police.

Surprise, surprise, the man in charge of the police is going to carry on picking up his salary and pension. The Labour Party are pretty universally saying that he should resign, but why the fuck haven't they fired him from the party if that's how they feel?

Personally I think it should be a criminal offence for the police to know about a serious crime and do nothing about it. At the very least, it should be gross negligence and you should be fired immediately.
 
fishwick said:
This stems from the top namely the British Muslim Council. How often do they speak out against their own even when they are aware of the failings of Muslims in this country and abroad.
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People often make the mistake of assuming that that pile of unelected wankers in any way represents the views of British Muslims. They're a self-appointed spokesman for the entire Muslim population of the UK, and yet when surveyed, very few Muslims (less than 3%) will say that this group represents them. It's like claiming that Stephen Green represents all Christians because he happens to head an organisation called Christian Voice. In reality, most Christians think he's a prick. The Muslim Council of Britain, like most religious pressure groups, represent their own interests and no-one else's.

I'm not denying that there's not sometimes an issue with in-group thinking in certain (typically marginalised) communities in the UK and that the police have to deal with it when investigating crimes in that community. But this isn't an example of that. This isn't an issue of Muslims keeping quiet about the abuse going on in their community and the police not finding out about it. The police knew all of the facts and chose not to act for fear of offending cultural sensitivities. The great irony is that in trying to turn a blind eye to this in order to be PC, they've actually handed the bigots and racists all of the ammunition they need to drag community relations to a new low. The claims of muslamic ray guns are looking pretty accurate if you look at the headlines of today's papers.
 
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