Russian fans with Nazi flags

[bayern blade]

You clearly do not understand what communism is. Tell us, what is the role of the state in communism? Was this reflected in Stalin's Russia, China, Cuba etc.? No. The end game of communism is a deomcracy.

You don't even know what the term 'democracy' means. You appear to regard 'democracy' as being 'liberal democracy'. There are other forms of democracy.

I know an apologist when I see one. Tell me what regimes in modern history you regard as communist then.

Or do you admit that communism is unworkable and will inevitably lead to regimes such as the Soviet, Chinese, North Korean, Cuban ones ?

 

[Manc in London]

Communism was horrible, infact Stalin killed more of his own people than Hitler ever could. So i am not surprised that some former communist states go to the ideals of its enemy during communism. It is perfectly logical, i am not saying its morally right or anything but it is expected for some to think in such a way.

People often say they support St.Pauli cos they are a left wing club (communist) but they never are criticized for their flags and songs... It is quite hypocritical because deaths attributed to Nazis are drop in the ocean compared to Communism. I'd rather live in Fascist Germany than a Communist country (if they existed and had to choose one).

People who bring politics to sport are fucking idiots though.

Stalin was not a communist. He was no more a communist than Thatcher.

I don't think you understand what communism is.

Facism is about intolerance, ignorance and hatred. Communism is not.

A lot won't like to hear this but fascism and communism in the 20's and 30's struggled for the same hearts and minds. The international communist movement demonized fascists because although similar ideals they were typically nationalist, as opposed to an international movement like communism. Many communists hoped to gain disaffected fascists through this demonization. Their motto was first brown then red.

Facism is not similar to communism at all. It's not even debateable. Political groups found the 20s and 30s as fertile grounds due to high levels of unemployment, inflation and poverty. Groups sought to fill the void. Germany in the 30s is a prime example.


Kust to clarify I am not claiming to be a Communist but not one person has told me how facism and communism are similar as ideologies.

Someone above said some 'communist soldiers' shot a large number of Poles. On what basis are these soldiers communist? BTW being called Communist on the grounds they are linked to a state that was no more communist than the UK, does not count.

Are British and US forces 'liberal democratic'? These armed forces killed over 300,000 Iraqi civilians. Does that make 'liberal democracy' evil?

 

[bayern blade]

Facism is not similar to communism at all. It's not even debateable. Political groups found the 20s and 30s as fertile grounds due to high levels of unemployment, inflation and poverty. Groups sought to fill the void. Germany in the 30s is a prime example.


Kust to clarify I am not claiming to be a Communist but not one person has told me how facism and communism are similar as ideologies.

Someone above said some 'communist soldiers' shot a large number of Poles. On what basis are these soldiers communist? BTW being called Communist on the grounds they are linked to a state that was no more communist than the UK, does not count.

Are British and US forces 'liberal democratic'? These armed forces killed over 300,000 Iraqi civilians. Does that make 'liberal democracy' evil?

Germany in the 30's had a roughly equal number of fascists and communists for years, your quoted reasons are a breeding ground for both sides.

A ridiculous comment, you may as well ask why gassing jews makes a concentration camp guard a Nazi.

Edit : And you didn't answer my question, what regimes would you call communist then, being as you deny all the ones the rest of us think of as communist.

 

[Manc in London]

You clearly do not understand what communism is. Tell us, what is the role of the state in communism? Was this reflected in Stalin's Russia, China, Cuba etc.? No. The end game of communism is a deomcracy.

You don't even know what the term 'democracy' means. You appear to regard 'democracy' as being 'liberal democracy'. There are other forms of democracy.

I know an apologist when I see one. Tell me what regimes in modern history you regard as communist then.

Or do you admit that communism is unworkable and will inevitably lead to regimes such as the Soviet, Chinese, North Korean, Cuban ones ?

An apologist, no. Understand what communism is, yes. No country has ever been communist. None at all and maybe no country will ever be communist. Again, I repeat, you do not know anything about political ideology.

Maybe once you understand what communism is, come back and we can have an intelligent conversation about it.

 

[bayern blade]

An apologist, no. Understand what communism is, yes. No country has ever been communist. None at all and maybe no country will ever be communist. Again, I repeat, you do not know anything about political ideology.

Maybe once you understand what communism is, come back and we can have an intelligent conversation about it.

You are in very serious danger of disappearing up your own arse.

I agree however, further conversation with you is pointless.

 

[UltraPoland]

Fascism maybe not but national socialism is a clone of communism. Two sides of the same filthy, deadly leftist ideology that killed (and is still killing) hundreds of millions people around the globe.
It doesn`t matter what soliders or heads of states thought about communism/national socialism and how they "deform" the "original" ideas. Any crimes commited by people with hammer and sicle or swastika on their uniforms are and always will be communist/Nazis crimes.
Regardless how inconvenient it is for contemporary idiots believing in Marx, Lenin or Che Guevara.

 

[Manc in London]

Facism is not similar to communism at all. It's not even debateable. Political groups found the 20s and 30s as fertile grounds due to high levels of unemployment, inflation and poverty. Groups sought to fill the void. Germany in the 30s is a prime example.


Kust to clarify I am not claiming to be a Communist but not one person has told me how facism and communism are similar as ideologies.

Someone above said some 'communist soldiers' shot a large number of Poles. On what basis are these soldiers communist? BTW being called Communist on the grounds they are linked to a state that was no more communist than the UK, does not count.

Are British and US forces 'liberal democratic'? These armed forces killed over 300,000 Iraqi civilians. Does that make 'liberal democracy' evil?

Germany in the 30's had a roughly equal number of fascists and communists for years, your quoted reasons are a breeding ground for both sides.

A ridiculous comment, you may as well ask why gassing jews makes a concentration camp guard a Nazi.

Edit : And you didn't answer my question, what regimes would you call communist then, being as you deny all the ones the rest of us think of as communist.

You really don't understand, do you? To be honest, I am running out of things to say as your posts are full of nonesense.

I did answer your question.

You still haven't told me the role of the state in communism. Simply because you don't know. Wiki is in -> direction. Have fun, you may begin to challenge your ignorant views.<br /><br />-- Thu Nov 07, 2013 11:41 pm --<br /><br />

Fascism maybe not but national socialism is a clone of communism. Two sides of the same filthy, deadly leftist ideology that killed (and is still killing) hundreds of millions people around the globe.
It doesn`t matter what soliders or heads of states thought about communism/national socialism and how they "deform" the "original" ideas. Any crimes commited by people with hammer and sicle or swastika on their uniforms are and always will be communist/Nazis crimes.
Regardless how inconvenient it is for contemporary idiots believing in Marx, Lenin or Che Guevara.

Name a communist country. Before you even answer, I can guarantee you are incorrect. There has never been a communist country.

 

[scotty123]

Stalin was not a communist. He was no more a communist than Thatcher.

I don't think you understand what communism is.

Facism is about intolerance, ignorance and hatred. Communism is not.

A lot won't like to hear this but fascism and communism in the 20's and 30's struggled for the same hearts and minds. The international communist movement demonized fascists because although similar ideals they were typically nationalist, as opposed to an international movement like communism. Many communists hoped to gain disaffected fascists through this demonization. Their motto was first brown then red.

Facism is not similar to communism at all. It's not even debateable. Political groups found the 20s and 30s as fertile grounds due to high levels of unemployment, inflation and poverty. Groups sought to fill the void. Germany in the 30s is a prime example.


Kust to clarify I am not claiming to be a Communist but not one person has told me how facism and communism are similar as ideologies.

Someone above said some 'communist soldiers' shot a large number of Poles. On what basis are these soldiers communist? BTW being called Communist on the grounds they are linked to a state that was no more communist than the UK, does not count.

Are British and US forces 'liberal democratic'? These armed forces killed over 300,000 Iraqi civilians. Does that make 'liberal democracy' evil?

I suggest that you read up on the Katyn Forest massacre by ''communist soldiers''

You ask on what basis are these soldiers communist, they were members of the NKVD which was the secret state police of the Soviet COMMUNIST regime, they had to be communist to serve in the NKVD, any disloyalty to the party by any serving NKVD man or woman was dealt with by a bullet to the head, if they had disobeyed the orders not to shoot the Polish officers they would have been lying in the mass graves beside the Poles

 

[scotty123]

Facism is not similar to communism at all. It's not even debateable. Political groups found the 20s and 30s as fertile grounds due to high levels of unemployment, inflation and poverty. Groups sought to fill the void. Germany in the 30s is a prime example.


Kust to clarify I am not claiming to be a Communist but not one person has told me how facism and communism are similar as ideologies.

Someone above said some 'communist soldiers' shot a large number of Poles. On what basis are these soldiers communist? BTW being called Communist on the grounds they are linked to a state that was no more communist than the UK, does not count.

Are British and US forces 'liberal democratic'? These armed forces killed over 300,000 Iraqi civilians. Does that make 'liberal democracy' evil?

Germany in the 30's had a roughly equal number of fascists and communists for years, your quoted reasons are a breeding ground for both sides.

A ridiculous comment, you may as well ask why gassing jews makes a concentration camp guard a Nazi.

Edit : And you didn't answer my question, what regimes would you call communist then, being as you deny all the ones the rest of us think of as communist.

You really don't understand, do you? To be honest, I am running out of things to say as your posts are full of nonesense.

I did answer your question.

You still haven't told me the role of the state in communism. Simply because you don't know. Wiki is in -> direction. Have fun, you may begin to challenge your ignorant views.

-- Thu Nov 07, 2013 11:41 pm --

Fascism maybe not but national socialism is a clone of communism. Two sides of the same filthy, deadly leftist ideology that killed (and is still killing) hundreds of millions people around the globe.
It doesn`t matter what soliders or heads of states thought about communism/national socialism and how they "deform" the "original" ideas. Any crimes commited by people with hammer and sicle or swastika on their uniforms are and always will be communist/Nazis crimes.
Regardless how inconvenient it is for contemporary idiots believing in Marx, Lenin or Che Guevara.

Name a communist country. Before you even answer, I can guarantee you are incorrect. There has never been a communist country.

Are you off your medication?

 

[EtihadVsEmirates]

Communism was horrible, infact Stalin killed more of his own people than Hitler ever could. So i am not surprised that some former communist states go to the ideals of its enemy during communism. It is perfectly logical, i am not saying its morally right or anything but it is expected for some to think in such a way.

People often say they support St.Pauli cos they are a left wing club (communist) but they never are criticized for their flags and songs... It is quite hypocritical because deaths attributed to Nazis are drop in the ocean compared to Communism. I'd rather live in Fascist Germany than a Communist country (if they existed and had to choose one).

People who bring politics to sport are fucking idiots though.

Mate, from reading this post, you're not very smart either. Communism as an ideology doesn't specifically say KILL PEOPLE. What are you on? Specific rulers and leaders made those decisions. So why don't you bring up the slaughter of innocent Japanese people by the centrist capitalists Americans from nuclear bombs killing 300,000?