Russian invasion of Ukraine

[flook]

It is coming close to the time we need to step in and put a stop to this, the man has lost his mind and really it is bordering on genocide right now, the world can not stand by while he carries out these atrocities.

I don't believe the west can intervene overtly, the threat of nuclear response from Putin is too great. I do believe however that there must be a way to intervene covertly, the question is whether that too is too big a risk, and we on here are in no position to call that.

 

[bluealf]

IF we step in, it won't put a stop to it though, it will rapidly escalate it.

So we keep standing by while he annihilates Ukraine and then what, start trading with Russia again next year?

If it leads to an escalated war then so be it, you can not let dictators do this, if nuclear weapons existed in 1939 would the world have sat ideally by while Hitler killed every fucking Jew he could get his hands on?

There isn't a lot of difference right about now, he is murdering innocent people while we watch on the news, trembling he may or may not press the button.

Will we still be trembling when he rolls into Finland, Georgia and whichever other country he fancies taking back into Russian hands.

 

[Scottyboi]

State of that

 

[bumbleblue]

 

[Keith Moncrieff]

Russian Foreign Minister said Russia won’t forget the support for Ukraine from the U.K..
Fucking good!!!! Absolute shower of cunts

 

[urban genie]

The problem, and why people get annoyed is this.

Poster 1 - here's my opinion/article that says this.

Poster 2, 3, 4, 5 - Oh that's actually not true, here's a long, sourced comment explaining why.

Poster 1 doesn't reply or acknowledge at all.

Poster 1 (12 hours or 2 days later) - Here's my unchanged opinion and another incredibly dubious source I found that agrees with me.

1150 pages in people get bored of it from the same half dozen posters and recognise that they aren't trying to have a debate, or learn more.

That is very common on this forum from many a poster tbf.

Not just on this thread.

We have had repeeated reposting of proved fake acounts of events from the war made by people on twiter that have even been said to be wrong but posted again.
That annoys me more than rascals or others posting daft opinion pieces framed to their opinion.

Anyway this is a debate from yesterday and I am more concerned on what is hapening in Ukraine not the morning star so I will refocus on the topic at hand and not derail the thread.

 

[Ghandi's Flip Flops]

This might be one of the defining photographs of the war if there's a version that shows the soldier's face.

Russia's airforce losses are becoming completely untenable.

Always a bit dubious about losses but that Oryx site can be pretty good. Relies on meta data photos & vids to verify, and was pretty accurate regarding the Syrian conflict.

Current list of losses here
Attack On Europe: Documenting Equipment Losses During The 2022 Russian Invasion Of Ukraine - Oryx (oryxspioenkop.com)

Obviously Ukrainian losses under represented due to Russia banning soldiers in 2014 using their phones to take footage, and a lot of their losses now being in Russia held ground.

 

[bluealf]

World war three unfortunately , except everyone has nukes now !

It would be world war 3 with or without nuclear weapons fired.

So the solution is to sit and watch one country with nuclear weapons do whatever the fuck they want as he says I am readying my nuclear armament and like I said, Georgia next, Finland? Do we just keep watching on the news?

 

[urban genie]

World war three unfortunately , except everyone has nukes now !

The swiss don't

 

[inchy14]

Not if it’s a negroni.

That pass at Craven Cottage…..