Russian invasion of Ukraine

Ohrodneyrodney said:
Really don't get this point of view. Your neighbour decides to come into your house and smash it to bits, but you're not allowed to do that to his house, because it might make him mad. He's friggin mad already.
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The point of view is that weapons are provided by the West on the basis they shall not be used on Russian soil
 
Ohrodneyrodney said:
Pretending NATO and the West is still separate from Ukraine is now utterly preposterous. The amount of aid given to them means they are now, in every sense that matters, one and the same. The real risk of WW3 is continuing to let this drift without grasping the nettle. The sting will be bigger the longer that NATO and the West fail to grasp it. The bizarre nature of a war that 'allows' one country to commit atrocities onto another, in the knowledge that the victimised country is not allowed to respond inside the attacking countries borders, is, frankly, ridiculous.
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I don’t think that any NATO member could be considered to be at war with Russia by any internationally accepted definition, and that is the only sense that matters. You might disagree, of course, but that respect for international law is one reason why Ukraine is fighting.
 
The Wagner Group is still recruiting fighters across Russia, days after staging a mutiny that led Vladimir Putin to raise fears of civil war.

Using a Russian phone number, we called more than a dozen recruitment centres saying, if asked, that we were inquiring on behalf of a brother.
All those who replied confirmed that it was business as usual.

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www.bbc.co.uk

Wagner still recruiting despite mutiny, BBC finds

The BBC called more than a dozen Russian recruitment centres and was told it's business as usual.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk
 
Gabriel said:
I don’t think that any NATO member could be considered to be at war with Russia by any internationally accepted definition, and that is the only sense that matters. You might disagree, of course, but that respect for international law is one reason why Ukraine is fighting.
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That’s a very polite way of saying he’s talking out of his arse.
 
Gabriel said:
I don’t think that any NATO member could be considered to be at war with Russia by any internationally accepted definition, and that is the only sense that matters. You might disagree, of course, but that respect for international law is one reason why Ukraine is fighting.
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You're right I do disagree. Internationally accepted definitions are one thing, realities are another. The reality is NATO countries are arming, training, supporting, and encouraging Ukraine, rightly so. At this stage its a moot point whether its still a proxy war or a real one, but the distinction is becoming very blurred indeed.
 
Ohrodneyrodney said:
You're right I do disagree. Internationally accepted definitions are one thing, realities are another. The reality is NATO countries are arming, training, supporting, and encouraging Ukraine, rightly so. At this stage its a moot point whether its still a proxy war or a real one, but the distinction is becoming very blurred indeed.
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International law is a reality, even if some countries choose to ignore it.
 
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