Russian invasion of Ukraine

Cheers.

Why do I think that Ukraine isn't going great guns and that Russia is on the ropes?

Because, if so, actual facts would support his. For example, Russia taking massive casualties. Or Russia ceding ground to Ukraine. Or massive protests against Putin throughout Russia. Or, well anything, factual, in support of Russia in trouble.

I think that Russia remains under Putin's iron grip - for now. And although the Oligarchy may disagree with Putin about the war with Ukraine - they're not at the point where they'll risk open opposition.

Putin is simply going to grind this war out - it seems to be a stalemate - with, perhaps, time of Russia's side. That's my read of the war - but who knows - as I can't for sure trust anything in the youtube media about the war - and coverage by major news outlets is so sparse that there's little information there to judge.
Firstly you’ve expanded your argument to include Russia not being on the ropes which isn’t how you previously framed it. My question was in response to Ukraine not doing well which doesn’t necessarily amount to the same thing.

Secondly, Russia has endured huge casualties Not sure how anyone could sensibly conclude otherwise. There are other indicators to suggest Russia is in trouble including around their energy infrastructure and rate of inflation. As well as their huge brain drain. Their lack of significant territorial advances in light of the foregoing is also a consideration.

Don’t think Putin’s grip on power in Russia is under any immediate threat, but that’s not front and centre to this particular debate.

I think a stalemate, in purely strategic (rather than human) terms, probably suits Ukraine marginally more than Russia given how the war is being prosecuted atm.
 
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Firstly you’ve expanded your argument to include Russia not being on the ropes which isn’t how you previously framed it. My question was in response to Ukraine not doing well which doesn’t necessarily amount to the same thing.

Secondly, Russia has endured huge casualties Not sure how anyone could sensibly conclude otherwise. There are other indicators to suggest Russia is in trouble including around their energy infrastructure and rate of inflation. As well as their huge brain drain. Their lack of significant territorial advances in light of the foregoing is also a consideration.

Don’t think Putin’s grip on power in Russia is under any immediate threat, but that’s not front and centre to this particular debate.

I think a stalemate, in purely strategic (rather than human) terms, probably suits Ukraine marginally more than Russia given how the war is being prosecuted atm.
>> My question was in response to Ukraine not doing well which doesn’t necessarily amount to the same thing.
Isn't this a distinction without a difference?

If Ukraine is doing well in the war, how would it be that Russia, their dire enemy, is also doing well, or at least getting by? Nay, it's either A doing well at the expense of B; or A and B are locked in a sort of stalemate; or A is doing poorly and B is doing well. And I think it's pretty much A = Russia, B = Ukraine and while neither side are flourishing, A is less affected than B and the longer the war goes on, the worse it gets for B.

>> Secondly, Russia has endured huge casualties Not sure how anyone could sensibly conclude otherwise
Sure. But does it matter so far. Putin isn't worried about this insofar as number of casualties are concerned. But yes... let's suppose that casualties are so bad, and there's no way that Putin can declare a draft... if so.. what follows? Stalemate on the lines with neither side making ground? I doubt that very much - and yet this is what I see. So it follows that the supposition isn't true or that my read of the situation is false.

>> I think a stalemate, in purely strategic (rather than human) terms, probably suits Ukraine marginally more than Russia given how the war is being prosecuted atm.
Who's to say for sure. Ukraine is much smaller than Russia; its cities are being bombed to hell. But Russia - life pretty much as normal in terms of you taking a drone and flying around all Russian cities. Massive, obvious impact to Ukraine - for sure impact to Russia - but take a drone tour across all of Russia and then all of Ukraine. Do you really think that the status quo favors Ukraine?
 
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>> My question was in response to Ukraine not doing well which doesn’t necessarily amount to the same thing.
Isn't this a distinction without a difference?

If Ukraine is doing well in the war, how would it be that Russia, their dire enemy, is also doing well, or at least getting by? Nay, it's either A doing well at the expense of B; or A and B are locked in a sort of stalemate; or A is doing poorly and B is doing well. And I think it's pretty much A = Russia, B = Ukraine and while neither side are flourishing, A is less affected than B and the longer the war goes on, the worse it gets for B.

>> Secondly, Russia has endured huge casualties Not sure how anyone could sensibly conclude otherwise
Sure. But does it matter so far. Putin isn't worried about this insofar as number of casualties are concerned. But yes... let's suppose that casualties are so bad, and there's no way that Putin can declare a draft... if so.. what follows? Stalemate on the lines with neither side making ground? I doubt that very much - and yet this is what I see. So it follows that the supposition isn't true or that my read of the situation is false.

>> I think a stalemate, in purely strategic (rather than human) terms, probably suits Ukraine marginally more than Russia given how the war is being prosecuted atm.
Who's to say for sure. Ukraine is much smaller than Russia; its cities are being bombed to hell. But Russia - life pretty much as normal in terms of you taking a drone and flying around all Russian cities. Massive, obvious impact to Ukraine - for sure impact to Russia - but take a drone tour across all of Russia and then all of Ukraine. Do you really think that the status quo favors Ukraine?
1. Because no one on here has claimed Russia is on the ropes, and so your point is somewhat a false equivalence.
2. The endless reserves of Russian recruits is a myth. Loads of fighting age males have fucked off, many never to return and the nation has massive demographic issues which have been hugely accentuated by this conflict.
3.I think it’s more likely to favour Ukraine, yes, because I don’t think Russia can continue in this vein for more than another 18 months.
 
1. Because no one on here has claimed Russia is on the ropes, and so your point is somewhat a false equivalence.
2. The endless reserves of Russian recruits is a myth. Loads of fighting age males have fucked off, many never to return and the nation has massive demographic issues which have been hugely accentuated by this conflict.
3.I think it’s more likely to favour Ukraine, yes, because I don’t think Russia can continue in this vein for more than another 18 months.
>> 1. Because no one on here has claimed Russia is on the ropes, and so your point is somewhat a false equivalence.
* Did I claim this? I simply claim that the bulk of the youtube media is constantly making such claims and it's bullshit.

>> 2. The endless reserves of Russian recruits is a myth. Loads of fighting age males have fucked off, many never to return and the nation has massive demographic issues which have been hugely accentuated by this conflict.
* I mostly agree with this. At the same time, there's the perception that the ability for Russia to continue throwing human fodder into the war is nearly at end. And this perception is months and months if not a year or so old. If this is true, then why isn't Ukraine making observable headway in the war?

>> 3.I think it’s more likely to favour Ukraine, yes, because I don’t think Russia can continue in this vein for more than another 18 months.
* I think your point 3 is based on your point 2. You may well be right - but I see no evidence of this. And in fact, the same exact point about Russia being out of troops to throw at Ukraine was stated months and months ago - and nothing's changed on the ground, other than that Ukraine has ceded yet more territory.

In sum - your view may be spot on. Who knows? I for sure don't. Because I don't trust any reporting by popular youtube sites and because there's not enough mainstream journalism that I trust to convince me.

At the same time - I judge the war based on occupied territory - the state of Russian cities versus Ukraine cities. Just how fucked up is life in Russia versus life in Ukraine? All of these indicators - as well as Russia not ceding territory and perhaps making incremental gains - leads me to think that the war is somewhat balanced with Russia holding a slight edge - and at the same time, Russia isn't fully committed to the war - balanced against Putin not being in position (politically) to go full out (for example there's some sort of massive law/taboo against instituting a national draft due to what happened in Afghanistan). My read is that Russia has the advantage and the longer this status quo drags out, the better for Putin - my read, and I may be wrong, but that's the best I can do based on unreliable reporting.

Oh... and one last point - if Putin is actually fucked and knows it, why is he clearly blowing off Trump's peace talk overtures? Putin - for me - wants the war to go on. If this is to his disadvantageous to Russia - why is he acting this way?
 
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Hegseth speaking at NATO conference, saying the US (Trump) will do everything it can to stop the war in Ukraine and stand strong with European partners to support Ukraine.

Seems Trump has had enough of Putin no listening and patting him on the head every time they meet. About time that they came on the right side of history.

Better late than never.
 
Hegseth speaking at NATO conference, saying the US (Trump) will do everything it can to stop the war in Ukraine and stand strong with European partners to support Ukraine.

Seems Trump has had enough of Putin no listening and patting him on the head every time they meet. About time that they came on the right side of history.

Better late than never.
Let’s hope he does a better job than in Gaza
 
Hegseth speaking at NATO conference, saying the US (Trump) will do everything it can to stop the war in Ukraine and stand strong with European partners to support Ukraine.

Seems Trump has had enough of Putin no listening and patting him on the head every time they meet. About time that they came on the right side of history.

Better late than never.
Actions speak louder than words, but the notion that Putin was going to stop was somewhat preposterous. I don’t think he can tbh. He’s too far in now and when the music stops I reckon he’s fucked in the long term.
 
Cheers.

Why do I think that Ukraine isn't going great guns and that Russia is on the ropes?

Because, if so, actual facts would support this. For example, Russia taking massive casualties. Or Russia ceding ground to Ukraine. Or massive protests against Putin throughout Russia. Or, well anything, factual, in support of Russia in trouble.

I think that Russia remains under Putin's iron grip - for now. And although the Oligarchy may disagree with Putin about the war with Ukraine - they're not at the point where they'll risk open opposition.

Putin is simply going to grind this war out - it seems to be a stalemate - with, I think, time on Russia's side. That's my read of the war - but who knows - as I can't for sure trust anything in the youtube media about the war - and coverage by major news outlets is so sparse that there's little information there to judge.

Would recommend Phillips O'Brien, a professor of war studies who has provided balanced and prescient analysis of the war throughout in weekly updates.

It's fair to say he's pro-Ukraine, but not starry-eyed.

 
Would recommend Phillips O'Brien, a professor of war studies who has provided balanced and prescient analysis of the war throughout in weekly updates.

It's fair to say he's pro-Ukraine, but not starry-eyed.

Professor Michael Clarke always provides a balanced perspective too, agains from a pro-Ukraine, but not starry-eyed, perspective.

Good analysis of a potential succession here.

 
You know what?... I know fuck all about which side is winning the war.

For the record, I hate Putin and hope that Ukraine will prevail.

But fuck me - this thread - and basically any internet post I click on proclaims that Russia is in trouble; Putin is in trouble; big bomb/breaking news/bombshell.... whatever post - seeking click bait.

I'm a careful consumer of news. And I 100% blame Putin for the inexcusable invasion of Ukraine.

At the same time, I don't trust any source - pro Putin - or pro Ukraine - at this point. Both sides are engaged in meaningless bullshit posts.

And I've no clue about which side is likely to prevail.
Russia is in trouble....big trouble.
They will not win this war,as i have said from day 1 of it.
3 days they said,and nearly 4 years in and it's nowhere near over.

Heroyam Slava.
 
Hegseth speaking at NATO conference, saying the US (Trump) will do everything it can to stop the war in Ukraine and stand strong with European partners to support Ukraine.

Seems Trump has had enough of Putin no listening and patting him on the head every time they meet. About time that they came on the right side of history.

Better late than never.
The us does have a long track record of showing up late for things like this.
 
But fuck me - this thread - and basically any internet post I click on proclaims that Russia is in trouble; Putin is in trouble; big bomb/breaking news/bombshell.... whatever post - seeking click bait.
You should go and look at the bbc news then, it's the exact opposite most of the time.

It sounds like you see the videos posted on here from YouTube ? I don't personally watch them, as they are just sensational crap most of the time, and on the odd ocaasion I have viewed them, they are nothing like the reality in the video, and the gains made (either way) can be measured in meters or 10's of meters.

My advice is scroll past them, as there is better factual information written on this thread, than treating the videos as serious.
 
Hegseth speaking at NATO conference, saying the US (Trump) will do everything it can to stop the war in Ukraine and stand strong with European partners to support Ukraine.

Seems Trump has had enough of Putin no listening and patting him on the head every time they meet. About time that they came on the right side of history.

Better late than never.
I wouldn't hold your breath on that, to be honest, he changes his mind more than the wind changes direction.
 
The final paragraph of this is why people will think Ukraine is on the back foot. They have enough to do stop russian advances but they don't have the manpower or equipment to really take advantage and retake large amounts of land at a time. Zelensky isn't perfect he really should have lowered the conscription age to have the manpower they need.

RUSSIAN DOBROPYLIA OFFENSIVES SMASHED

The Russians have been conducting repetitive attacks to try and relieve trapped troops that are encircled following the failure of the Dobropylia offensive. The Ukrainians are close to starting out the remains of encircled Russian troops. Failure on the Russians part to relieve them
Is likely to have consequences for senior regional commanders. As a result the Russians have attempted three regiment level offensives including armour, largely in bad weather to limit drone ops, but they have all been wiped out. Russian forces have been caught in pre-pared Ukrainian defences including razor wire, dragon’s teeth and funnel ditches that force them into fire zones.
The Russians decided to blow up an ammonia pipeline that existed before the war and has been disused but still full of gas. This caused a huge cloud of ammonia gas to descend over bothsides, causing confusion on the Ukrainian side - but they mostly had access to gas masks as the Russians have been using gas on and off during the war. The Russians didn’t have the protection and the prevailing wind dumped the ammonia cloud in their own forces just as they were advancing.The result was heavy casualties both from gas poisoning and disorientation and the prepared defences that had narrowed the scope of attack.
Ukraine’s artillery and drones picked off key units as they attacked and the whole operation has left the Russians where they were at the start. The Russian advance to take back grey zone areas failed again and again, nobody is able to relieve the trapped troops that Ukraine expects to surrender within days.
The operation is an example of increasing Russian powerlessness on the front line. Offensive operations are costly and unproductive. If Ukraine had the means to exploit the Russians weakness right now I believe they would create another 2022 as the lines break, but they just don’t have the equipment or manpower to make it happen.
 
Stuff 15/10:


- Ukraine hitting refinaries for the 2nd and third time. Refinary / Storage tanks in Crimea hit for the 3rd time.
- Ukraine attacking Russian power infrastructure.
- Russian demonstrations against Putin in St. Petersburg.
- Russian fuel shortages and queues at petrol stations.
- NATO countries stepping up to the plate to support Ukraine with big purchases and weapons donations.
- idiotic tank and APC cavalry charge near doproprov
 
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