Russian invasion of Ukraine

nellyonthewing said:
These are dangerous times. The weak democracies are more interested in whether our kids can identify as a cat, or some 17th century statue is offending people. Devoid of leadership in the West ,Putin and Xi are looking at divvying up the world because who's going to stop them. Russia, Iran ,China, North Korea talk about an axis of evil.
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Why do people keep bringing up this cat thing? What is it with people and their obsession with cats and are you Kurt Zouma?
 
nellyonthewing said:
Not in conventional forces they don't. So if Russia used their large conventional forces they could walk into the Baltic States next week ,then into Poland/Germany and just keep going westwards. What would the US do, use nuclear weapons or take 6 months to muster conventional forces and get them into Europe ? The USA and Nato would never make a first nuclear strike ,I suggest Iran ,North Korea would. Nowadays would the USA actually engage in nuclear war to save Belgium or the Netherlands?...I doubt it.
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still more than emough to deter. Putin isnt going to invade western Europe lol.
 
west didsblue said:
Nobody gives a fuck about kids identifying as a cat unless you believe Richard Littlecock or the Daily Express. And the statue thing is blown out of all proportion. Four years of having Putin’s man in the White House has weakened the west and it will take time for the US and NATO to re-assert their influence. In the meantime Russia, China, Iran and NK will take the piss.
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In the meantime people in Tibet, Taiwan, Ukrain etc. Stay worried.
 
mat said:
How would you feel if your home was surrounded by hostile forces. Getting your neighbours to install equipment to threaten you?

I'm getting sick to fuck of the US geopolitical attitude of were right and everyone else is wrong.

The arrogance of politicians and military whom in world history who are still teenager in years is staggering.

Why is it so consumed by finding ways to go to war around the world? Safely in the knowledge that being where it's geographically positioned the people can happily go about their business without being affected.

9/11 was a point where the message was consequences have actions. Yet the same old John Wayne attitude kicked in. It was an horrific event and had it happened in other countries would have been a humbling experience.

Naturally ourselves and France will go along with whatever the US decide thanks to some misconstrued loyalty about WW2.

Newsflash! Russia turned that war around. But that doesn't fit the narrative of the land of the free.

I have plenty of time for the US and states I've visited . I've always found each state friendly and hospitable. However they are let down by warmongering cunts in power. Be it Republican or Democrat. They both need wars and conflict to keep the status quo together.

I feel there won't be a conflict.

They'll be walk backs spun as a win by all sides involved.
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Ask the majority of people in the Baltic States, Ukraine, Poland etc where these weapons are now stationed, if they prefer life today or when they were either directly incorporated into the USSR, or a satellite of it? In fact the last time the Ukrainians were subject to Russian rule, 3,900,000 of them were starved to death in Russian collectivisation policies, which are now widely recognised as a genocide, the Holodomor.

Putin doesn't lash out as some sort of preventative measure against NATO expansion, Ukraine can't even currently join NATO, because they have an ongoing conflict on the ground which directly prevents them from doing so. Putin lashes out because he harks back for a Russian dominated sphere of Eastern Europe. If you read his own words he call's the USSR's dissolution & loss of influence over these territories the greatest geopolitical catastrophe in history. His actions in Georgia in 2008 & Crimea in 2014 are more examples of his intention, fuelled by the above, to subject them to Moscow's rule. If he touches Ukraine, the likes of Finland, Sweden will be straight into NATO, directly contradicting his modus operandi, it's a fallacy.

Also Russia might well have done most of the fighting on the ground in WW2, an incredible feat no doubt, but most of the weaponry they were using to do it, weather it be small arms, trucks, aircraft, oil, or any other logistics, were provided directly from the USA through the Lend Lease Act, totalling $11.3b in 1941. The Russians were on the brink before this, an act that is often forgotten in modern history. No weapons/logistics = they can't fight & capitulate. See below for arms & equipment sent before the US even directly joined the war:
  • 400,000 jeeps & trucks
  • 14,000 airplanes
  • 8,000 tractors
  • 13,000 tanks
  • 1.5 million blankets
  • 15 million pairs of army boots
  • 107,000 tons of cotton
  • 2.7 million tons of petrol products
  • 4.5 million tons of food
Like you btw, I don't believe the US to be some sort of holier than thou nation that should dictate world affairs. As you fairly state their handling of the Middle East after 9/11 is a prime example. But, this is about protecting a sovereign nation from blatant modern Russian imperialism. Putin will never be satisfied as his previous actions dictate. Munich '38 is the history lesson that shows, you can't continually give into despots, as they will inevitably keep demanding more.
 
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Citizen Green said:
Ask the majority of people in the Baltic States, Ukraine, Poland etc where these weapons are now stationed, if they prefer life today or when they were either directly incorporated into the USSR, or a satellite of it? In fact the last time the Ukrainians were subject to Russian rule, 3,900,000 of them were starved to death in Russian collectivisation policies, which are now widely recognised as a genocide, the Holodomor.

Putin doesn't lash out as some sort of preventative measure against NATO expansion, Ukraine can't even currently join NATO, because they have an ongoing conflict on the ground which directly prevents them from doing so. Putin lashes out because he harks back for a Russian dominated sphere of Eastern Europe. If you read his own words he call's the USSR's dissolution & loss of influence over these territories the greatest geopolitical catastrophe in history. His actions in Georgia in 2008 & Crimea in 2014 are more examples of his intention, fuelled by the above, to subject them to Moscow's rule. If he touches Ukraine, the likes of Finland, Sweden will be straight into NATO, directly contradicting his modus operandi, it's a fallacy.

Also Russia might well have done most of the fighting on the ground in WW2, an incredible feat no doubt, but most of the weaponry they were using to do it, weather it be small arms, trucks, aircraft, oil, or any other logistics, were provided directly from the USA through the Lend Lease Act, totalling $11.3b in 1941. The Russians were on the brink before this, an act that is often forgotten in modern history. No weapons/logistics = they can't fight & capitulate. See below for arms & equipment sent before the US even directly joined the war:
  • 400,000 jeeps & trucks
  • 14,000 airplanes
  • 8,000 tractors
  • 13,000 tanks
  • 1.5 million blankets
  • 15 million pairs of army boots
  • 107,000 tons of cotton
  • 2.7 million tons of petrol products
  • 4.5 million tons of food
Like you btw, I don't believe the US to be some sort of holier than thou nation that should dictate world affairs. As you fairly state their handling of the Middle East after 9/11 is a prime example. But, this is about protecting a sovereign nation from blatant modern Russian imperialism. Putin will never be satisfied as his previous actions dictate. Munich '38 is the history lesson that shows, you can't continually give into despots, as they will inevitably keep demanding more.
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I never knew this, thanks for the education
 
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