Russian invasion of Ukraine

[ultimateharold]

Picked a hell of a week to apply for residency in Poland.

 

[Millwallawayveteran1988]

War / invasion is looking more likely. Can’t see it becoming a nuclear war.

Still be very bloody and messy though. Not good but sounds like they are preparing people for it now. Russia don’t have a great record of invasions in recent years. Afghanistan and Chechnya didn’t go well.

You have to wonder what America’s game is here. They seem to be inflaming things with their talk yet won’t get directly involved.

 

[The Northern Baptist]

Unfortunately, war in Ukraine is now inevitable. Buckle up comrades, this is going to get messy.

 

[Indaparkside]

Russia will take a lot of casualties as well Ukraine will fight till the end

 

[bluethrunthru]

Unfortunately, war in Ukraine is now inevitable. Buckle up comrades, this is going to get messy.

I would doubt all out war - a couple of insurgencies - a bit of sparring and whichever side feels like they are going to take the heaviest hit will back off - my money is on Russia backing down when their armour and planes prove inferior to Nato's

 

[Gorton_Tubster]

Is anyone really buying this? For weeks the Russians have been ready to attack, again Americans have been told to leave... "Russia now have enough troops and will attack within days" (A few weeks ago that one). All sorts of propaganda.

Getting a bit bored of it.

We release our shit through the media, they release shit for their country through the media... Just get on with it and make the deal.

 

[urban genie]

Russia will take a lot of casualties as well Ukraine will fight till the end

All to satisfy bidens love of encouraging wars.

For a democrat he is a very hawkish gentleman.

 

[Rascal]

You'll get shouted down for telling this truth in this thread Rasc.

I take a lot of shouting down pal :)

Many on here will not realise it was Atlee who played a huge role in establishing NATO and it was the right thing to do at the time. The authoritarian Soviet Union under Stalin was a threat to Western Democracy.

NATO without any doubt played a role in keeping the peace between the opposing blocs. MAD assured that.

Since the fall of the USSR and the disintegration of the Warsaw pact, NATO has become an organisation looking for a role, the USSR were no longer there so it served as an arm of US expansionism. It became a tool for US imperialism. NATO morphed from being a defender of peace in NATO countries to an imposer of peace in non NATO countries. It started with Bosnia, which I supported, but that got the hawks excited and they saw NATO as a tool they could hide behind without using the name America. That gave them the confidence to go onto the middle east with which most would possibly agree has had disastrous consequences.

NATO, the clue is NA (North Atlantic) Georgia and Macedonia are nowhere near the supposed area of influence that was the original intention of the treaty of Brussels (1949) It is expansionism pure and simple.

Of course Putin is a ****, he is a far right nationalist with the fascistic traits you see across many parts of the west now, he is leader of an Oligopoly and in my opinion he shows the same narcissistic traits we see in Trump and Johnson, Russia are no longer trying to spread Communism around the world, they are insular Nationalists who just like the Faragists in this country want to control and make safe their own borders.

Biden as i did say in the USA politics thread is a hawk, he appears to be pushing the narrative of war. American Imperialism , who would have guessed. I despise Trump but he wouldnt have let this get so bad.

As for us, London is awash with Russian Oligarch money, its seeped into our country. how far its influence goes is scary,

I went to the Ukraine to watch City play Shaktar in Kharkiv, had a great time and they were lovely people, i do hope they stay safe and this madness is averted, because if it not i fear for the planet.

 

[feedmpenzaandhewillscore]

Is anyone really buying this? For weeks the Russians have been ready to attack, again Americans have been told to leave... "Russia now have enough troops and will attack within days" (A few weeks ago that one). All sorts of propaganda.

Getting a bit bored of it.

We release our shit through the media, they release shit for their country through the media... Just get on with it and make the deal.

If you are going to win in conflict surprise is the best tactic. Publicly displaying build ups on the border for the western media to lap up is hardly surprise, the nightmare scenario for both sides is when Russian tanks go over the border. Each side doesn’t want it so an out come which both sides find satisfactory will be reached.

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

War / invasion is looking more likely. Can’t see it becoming a nuclear war.

Well, thank fuck for that. With Brexit and all the other shit going on I’d have no chance of getting a shelter built, never mind furnishing it with food for a decade or so.