Russian invasion of Ukraine

grunge said:
OnI of the longest standing military doctrine ( art of war stuff ) is always leave a way out or your enemy will have no choice but to fight to the death.

Not sure how this applies to the Russians with the fact they seem to shoot people retreating mind you.

Would be good if Ukraine could take out just the rail side of the bridge
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They can still retreat back to Russia over land can they not?? Crimea is linked to Russia via the strip of land they invaded and have held since 2022.
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
Well Mossi, the mere fact that they have been hitting all other supply routes and ammo dumps wherever possible as reported by the guys on here on a weekly basis. And the fact that they have tried to destroy the bridge and it was repaired pretty quickly. Leads me to assume that they have decided they can't fully destroy it with the ordnance that they have. It's a reasonable conclusion is it not??

Why leave it standing if you could destroy it. It makes absolutely no sense at all.
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are all those supply routes a one way street for civilians to retreat?

Again, you say they tried to destroy it twice before, did they, or were they just letting Putin know it isn’t safe?
 
mosssideblue said:
are all those supply routes a one way street for civilians to retreat?

Again, you say they tried to destroy it twice before, did they, or were they just letting Putin know it isn’t safe?
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What would be the point of hitting something a bit to let someone know its not safe.

Why should Ukraine care whether the Russian civillians can retreat ? Its Russias mess, they invaded.
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
What would be the point of hitting something a bit to let someone know its not safe.

Why should Ukraine care whether the Russian civillians can retreat ? Its Russias mess, they invaded.
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Putin has to think twice now for what he intends the bridge to be used for in this invasion

Because Ukrainians, unlike the Russians are not barbaric and will fight their battle legally
 
mosssideblue said:
are all those supply routes a one way street for civilians to retreat?

Again, you say they tried to destroy it twice before, did they, or were they just letting Putin know it isn’t safe?
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Well when the bridge piers and decking are taken out it looked very much like they tried to take it out.
mosssideblue said:
Putin has to think twice now for what he intends the bridge to be used for in this invasion

Because Ukrainians, unlike the Russians are not barbaric and will fight their battle legally
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The Ukrainians have said the bridge is fair game and admitted that they have tried to destroy it?

foreignpolicy.com

Russia’s Illegal Bridges Have Ukrainian Crosshairs on Them

Kyiv is determined to destroy a major supply line into occupied Crimea.
foreignpolicy.com foreignpolicy.com
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
What would be the point of hitting something a bit to let someone know its not safe.
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Disruption ?

It's quite often closed when attacks take place, suggesting the russians know it could be taken out, if and when Ukraine wants to.

I'm not sure how much the bridge is used for logistic re-supply, ships can bring in a lot more than a train (or trucks) over a bridge, which is why they targetted the ship the other day.

You keep saying they tried to "destroy" it, none of us actually know that, damaging it using less important ordanance is cheap(er) compared to using weapons like storm shadow, which the russians don't seem to have any defence for, and they so far, seem to have been used quite sparingly (and effectively) on proper military targets such as ships, hq's, and even a submarine.
 
cleavers said:
Disruption ?

It's quite often closed when attacks take place, suggesting the russians know it could be taken out, if and when Ukraine wants to.

I'm not sure how much the bridge is used for logistic re-supply, ships can bring in a lot more than a train (or trucks) over a bridge, which is why they targetted the ship the other day.

You keep saying they tried to "destroy" it, none of us actually know that, damaging it using less important ordanance is cheap(er) compared to using weapons like storm shadow, which the russians don't seem to have any defence for, and they so far, seem to have been used quite sparingly (and effectively) on proper military targets such as ships, hq's, and even a submarine.
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The Ukrainians have said they intend to destroy it. See article above. They have attacked it. What more evidence do people need.

Some very spurious reasoning on this thread.
 
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