Russian invasion of Ukraine

Kirkstall Blue said:



Hours after Washington approved another aid package to #Ukraine, the Ukrainian military destroyed a Russian vessel! Earlier this morning, a Ukrainian missile struck another Russian fleet ship in the Black Sea.This vessel experienced significant damage while docked at the port of Sevastopol in

Kyiv’s forces have hit Russia's Black Sea Fleet, the Kerch bridge and Sevastopol. They are not safe for the Russian occupiers. Go home Russians. Fight Putin and the Kremlin mafia in Moscow. Crimea is Ukraine
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This was search and rescue ship "Kommuna"....think it was hit last week.

Heroyam Slava.
 
Ukraine will receive 12
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T-155 Fırtına howitzers and 155 mm artillery ammunitionThis week, a senior US official said Washington may buy 155mm artillery ammunition from Turkey to supply to Ukraine. US Deputy Secretary of State Victoria Nuland told CNN Turk that Washington has "started working with Turkey again in the defense industry."In addition to Turkey, the United States is conducting similar negotiations to purchase 75,000 artillery ammunition of various calibers from Greece to replenish Ukrainian stocks
 
BlueAnorak said:
Those Boing GLSDB didn't work well.
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A few pages back, Spider alluded to the fact that Abrams tanks have also proved ineffective and susceptible to defeat mechanisms (albeit different).

This war, as with all others, shows the waning of certain military equipment and the rise of others.

At the start of the war it was Manpads with reconnaissance drones In ascendancy over AFV, now its almost just drones, drones, drones - whether they be short range reconnaissance, naval attack, kamikaze short range and long range.
The Houthi attacks on shipping is similar.

There is, I presume, a large scale discussion in the longterm forward procurement planning in the West - weapons that can nullify drones, and whether certain military items are white elephants in a drone environment - think AFVs, large warships (eg carriers), non dispersed airstrips (Harrier nods).

The throwaway cheap nature of drones could possibly drive a change in carriers/surface combatants. You have smaller but significantly more EMALS UAV capable ships, rather than a $13b (+ aircraft)per unit carrier, with smaller but considerably more ‘picket line’ defence ships to pick up air, sea and presumably undersea drones.

To me, it does feel like a sea change (boom tish) in what is the key weapon in warfare, in the same way that the 1st 2 years of WWII changed warfare - Blitzkrieg tanks and combined warfare, significant use of reasonable submarines, Taranto naval attack by aircraft - showing that AirPower was better than Battleship power.
 
From "The Analyst":

RUSSIAN OFFENSIVE BLUNTED

As you will recall from a couple of days ago, Russia has been pushing hard west and northwest of Avdivka, having, due to a Ukrainian mistake, advanced some distance quickly in a spike salient at Chasiv Yar.
They have also created one further south at Constantinivka and have been trying hard to widen this because they’re aware how narrow it is and the dangers that poses.
Opening it up southward has proven impossible as terrain is against them, but they have pushed northward.
Understanding they have little time to rectify this situation before it becomes impossible - previous Russian opportunistic ‘spike’ advances have proven impossible to eradicate in the past - Ukraine has reacted.
The Russian goal northward is Constantinivka itself but there are many topographical obstacles in the way. If they can get behind heavy Ukrainian defences at the small
town of New York (yes, really), and others, they will force a major retreat of Ukrainian forces and capture significant ground. Constantinivka will ensure that Chasiv Yar can be more easily secured.
In order to break the defences here they must capture the settlement of Novokalinova.
As usual glide bombs and artillery have been used to flatten the town and prepare the way. Ukraine responded by using counter battery fire and FPV drones to blunt Russian moves. The Russians lost some significant artillery - a pair of MSTA-S SPG’s (a type becoming considerably rarer as losses have been astronomical over the past year and there’s no replacement), as well several D-30 towed artillery systems (some supplied by N.Korea, they’re ancient and not especially accurate).
The Ukrainians also took out a pair of T-90’s on re-supply - they were being used as artillery support because the Russians are that short of artillery systems - they have a lot of ammo but increasingly fewer ways of firing it. Ukrainian long term strategy of finding and killing artillery as a priority in the past year has been immensely effective long term, averaging some 30 units a day.
The Russians moved in using small assault groups of around five men, making it difficult to pin them down or target them individually. However cluster munitions and drones made their lives more than a little difficult.
At the same time the VKS continued dropping glide bombs on Ukrainian forces.
The value of the Bradley yet again came to the fore. Its speed and protection allow the Ukrainians to drive up to Russian positions suppressing them with its much feared gunnery, deploy the soldiers and continue to support them, as they root out the Russian attackers.
The Ukrainians have learned that it doesn’t matter what they do, the Russians will continue to attack and attack and attack again at their objective no matter the manpower cost. So rather than simply engage them all with diminishing returns, they engage key units while concentrating their assault on the Russian supply lines.
As a result, the Ukrainians started a massive drone assault on the rear troop concentrations as they prepared to fill the battlefield and make up for the losses.
This proved highly effective, multiple troop trucks, transports and other vehicles were destroyed along with many of the buildings troops were sheltering in. HIMARS also took out the local command centre and killed the senior officers including the brigade commander, again spotted by drones. By all accounts at this point the Ukrainian side was also deploying glide bombs against the Russians.
The battle continues, the Russians everywhere are trying to take advantage of the shrinking window of opportunity they have before American aid arrives and while the ground is relatively dry - far drier than it was this time a year ago. The ground last year was thick with mud in late April through May. This year it’s already mostly solid.
All along the front the Russians are pressing ahead wherever they can while they can. Anything Ukraine can do to slow this process down now, will pay dividends in the future.
Slava Ukraini !
 
JASR said:
A few pages back, Spider alluded to the fact that Abrams tanks have also proved ineffective and susceptible to defeat mechanisms (albeit different).

This war, as with all others, shows the waning of certain military equipment and the rise of others.

At the start of the war it was Manpads with reconnaissance drones In ascendancy over AFV, now its almost just drones, drones, drones - whether they be short range reconnaissance, naval attack, kamikaze short range and long range.
The Houthi attacks on shipping is similar.

There is, I presume, a large scale discussion in the longterm forward procurement planning in the West - weapons that can nullify drones, and whether certain military items are white elephants in a drone environment - think AFVs, large warships (eg carriers), non dispersed airstrips (Harrier nods).

The throwaway cheap nature of drones could possibly drive a change in carriers/surface combatants. You have smaller but significantly more EMALS UAV capable ships, rather than a $13b (+ aircraft)per unit carrier, with smaller but considerably more ‘picket line’ defence ships to pick up air, sea and presumably undersea drones.

To me, it does feel like a sea change (boom tish) in what is the key weapon in warfare, in the same way that the 1st 2 years of WWII changed warfare - Blitzkrieg tanks and combined warfare, significant use of reasonable submarines, Taranto naval attack by aircraft - showing that AirPower was better than Battleship power.
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Just posted about being at a Chris McCausland show last night and he spoke about Arnie schwarzenegger and the first terminator film from 1984. The year the robot and hero travelled back from was 2029, now just five years off
My immediate thoughts left the show and went to drones in Ukraine and how they've changed the battlefield, especially now AI is being incorporated
 
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