Russian invasion of Ukraine

[grunge]

If Putin doesn't respond to Trump's peace overture then it wouldn't suprise me if Trump then said "Fuck You Then" and deliver the arms and ammunition required for Ukraine to defeat Russia.
Trump really doesn't respond well to being ignored and/or sleighted.
Putin either negotiates in good faith or Trump will bite back hard. I'm fairly sure that Putin, as a born again Narcissus/ Pychpath won't do what Trump wants.

from memory He did state that a while ago. basically said if Ukraine doesn't come to the table and give up land they get nothing and Said if Putin doesn't accept the deal then Ukraine will get more than they ever dreamt of. or similar wording.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Surely any ‘deal’ will (at least from Russia’s perspective) have to address the issue of sanctions which is going to be hugely contentious, at least in the short term.

Facing military reality (if that is where we end up if Europe isn’t prepared to pony up) is one thing, but enabling Russia to move towards a resumption of anything vaguely resembling pre-invasion commerce is entirely another.

As I posted elsewhere, this is a lot more nuanced than Trump simply picking up the phone and far from easy to resolve, even if sufficient will was there (not a given either).

 

[johnny crossan]

Which 24 hours is the orange moron going to end the war in do you think?

 

[mrcunny]

Nothing to do with voting for Labour. Did you not read the other part, where we have decimated our Defence and failed to replenish our stocks. Fuck, we gave the last of our tanks to Ukraine, our Warrior fleet is out of contract, and the replacement of other stock such as Boxer and Ajax is a joke.

Don’t ask me, just do a bit of research and you’ll find vastly more knowledgable people give you the ground truth.

So you voted Labour then?.Im not sure why you are telling me things i already know but thank you. Ajax was a poor design like most of the stuff we buy lately..

 

[BlueAnorak]

The Poll doesn't mention Europe at all though. its just a personal opinion applied to the Poll results that he feels its a tougher sell if Europe doesn't step up.

What's that got to do with the poll implication?
Nothing.
Unless that shifts South Korea won't be supplying arms and ammunition to Ukraine.

 

[Kirkstall Blue]

Zelensky not ready to give up Ukraine, freedom is to precious

 

[BlueAnorak]

Zelensky not ready to give up Ukraine, freedom is to precious

Strong stuff.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Zelensky not ready to give up Ukraine, freedom is to precious

What a guy.

 

[Eebo]

If Putin doesn't respond to Trump's peace overture then it wouldn't suprise me if Trump then said "Fuck You Then" and delivers the arms and ammunition required for Ukraine to defeat Russia.
Trump really doesn't respond well to being ignored and/or sleighted.
Putin either negotiates in good faith or Trump will bite back hard. I'm fairly sure that Putin, as a born again Narcissus/ Pychpath won't do what Trump wants.

The way Trump behaves around Putin it is obvious he is scared shitless of him, there is no way he ever stands up to him. He is Putin's toy.

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

So you voted Labour then?.Im not sure why you are telling me things i already know but thank you. Ajax was a poor design like most of the stuff we buy lately..

No, I didn’t vote Labour, but that wasn’t what you were talking shite about.