Russian invasion of Ukraine

[JASR]

Where would this constant policy of direct non intervention end though? Russia have already threatened military action against Finland in the last few days if they join NATO and the Finns according to recent polls now have a majority for the first time wishing to join if it goes to a referendum. Russia just states it used to be part of the Russian empire and here we go again copy and paste.

selective ‘good times’ history at its best.

perhaps we should revert to all the lands from 120 years ago as that’s the time frame Putin seems to want to get back to. (Prior to Russo-Japan War where they lost multiple parts of the Far East, and prior to their humiliation in ww1)

it’s a win-win for European and uk. we get 1/4 of the world back, Europeans get their own large empires back.

its complete nonsense.

 

[AlgarveBlu]

Looks like the economic nuclear option may be deployed by the EU - I'm really liking this new look EU - will hurt a few of them badly though.

The European parliament is set to call for EU-wide restrictions on imports of Russian oil and gas to the bloc, as it urges even tougher sanctions aimed at the ‘strategic weakening’ of Russia’s economy and ability to wage war.

 

[MCFC1993]

Total energies follows BP and Shell, withdrawing funding for projects in Russia.

 

[Chippy_boy]

Where would this constant policy of direct non intervention end though? Russia have already threatened military action against Finland in the last few days if they join NATO and the Finns according to recent polls now have a majority for the first time wishing to join if it goes to a referendum. Russia just states it used to be part of the Russian empire and here we go again copy and paste.

I don't see it like that.

The west's HUGE fuck up was weeks and months ago with wishy-washy talk about sanctions and not spelling out really, really, really clearly to Putin what the consequences for invasion would be and just how bad it would be for him personally. Then when he made his initial proclamation of the annexation of parts of Ukraine, we imposed really limp sanctions. This gave him a big green light to carry on.

Since then, we have to a much greater extent "thrown the book at him". Although we can still do more. But I am sure the west's response is FAR more coordinated and severe than he was bargaining on. The problem is, having gone into Ukraine - which we really should have prevented in the first place - he now has nowhere to go. He cannot back down. That's why we've really fucked up. I seriously wonder if he regrets where he is right now - I suspect he does.

And I don't see him attempting the same with e.g. Finland or Sweden. The situation is entirely different. He tried to justify the action against Ukraine on the basis that it's natural, cultural home is Russia. And even so, he's seen such and enormous domestic backlash. He cannot possibly make the same claims over Finland or Sweden etc. He'd be completely mad to even try it, and contrary to the lazy narrative, he is not mad.

 

[Chippy_boy]

There only hung ho to you because they don't support your stance of there is no hope for Ukraine. Giving continued support to Ukraine retain its independence is a min for all democratic counties and they are no matter how perilous it seems

I didn't say we should stop backing them - I just said I thought it was ultimately going to be futile. I do think they should get around a table with Russia and somehow agree a cease fire however. But of course that is up to them.

 

[SWP's back]

Why is Ukraine applying to join the EU now? Surely that will just antagonise Putin?

Smh

 

[Blue Maverick]

they need to go for that convoy, rich pickings and there for the taking,destroy that and its over certainly for a good while,,Get it done Ukraine

If it was against NATO it would be carnage on that road but like the road to Basra in Gulf War 1

 

[nw42]

I didn't say we should stop backing them - I just said I thought it was ultimately going to be futile. I do think they should get around a table with Russia and somehow agree a cease fire however. But of course that is up to them.

They did that yesterday while Russia continued bombing them,, you can't negotiate with maniacs.

And if you didn't say we should stop backing them you definitely said we are making it worse.

 

[mosssideblue]

I didn't say we should stop backing them - I just said I thought it was ultimately going to be futile. I do think they should get around a table with Russia and somehow agree a cease fire however. But of course that is up to them.

I disagree it being futile. Russia will be brought to its knees and democracy will prevail in Ukraine

 

[RobMCFC]

The longer it goes on, the more bitterness, anger and resentment will grow among the Ukrainian population. This, along with stories of bravery and strong leadership, will only fuel the resistance to, and the and rejection of, Russian control. It will make Russia controlling Ukraine near impossible. Whilst it is easy for a superpower to flatten a country, controlling it is a different matter.

No-one will 'win' this conflict. Not even Russia, regardless of the weapons they use. If anything is futile, it's Russia's efforts. In the long-term, Ukraine will be an independent country and Russia will be a pariah state.

You are correct, Russia have zero chance of controlling Ukraine. You would have thought that Putin would have done his homework on how much support he'd be likely to get from the population he was trying to control.

There was an analyst on the radio the other day that said the west had 350,000 troops backed up by high-tech weaponry and air superiority in Iraq, but still they couldn't control things.