Russian invasion of Ukraine

Looks like the EU committed to funding the purchase but NATO has put the breaks on Bulgaria and Slovakia cite not having the availability and Poland say following call with NATO that they won’t be supplying as that would be a direct interference in the conflict which NATO is not a party to.

Basically looks like the EU got ahead of itself here which would be embarrassing ordinarily but is tragic in these circumstances.

I don’t see how NATO members supplying planes is any different from supplying weapons in the interference context. Can only think the thinking is if this becomes a wider conflict we need everything we’ve got and that it won’t turn the tide of what is happening on the ground (bit like the RAF not supplying more to France in WW2 when requested which proved to be the correct decision) - although surely stopping Putin in Ukraine is the best way of preventing that??

They know that 70 mixed role fighters would very publicly and humiliatingly destroy the Russian convoy and allow Ukraine to fight for air supremacy long term and Putin might get upset.

Let’s be clear about what that decision means - it means Kiev being surrounded, all humanitarian aid being blocked, all military aid being blocked and the Artillery levelling Kiev until it’s rubble or they surrender, with 10s of thousands dead.
 
Trump and the Republicans admire Putin because of his nationalism and the weird association with him and strength. People like Nigel Farage are the same, they long for a Putin type authoritarian governmental system which stamps over anything that was put in place to stop the implementation of rather questionable policies.

What this war represents for these kind of people is a rejection of the kind of thing that they stand for which is aggressive nationalism. They can't have this because we are a democracy and have laws to stop it so they admire people that overrule it and that's why they can't help but find themselves sympathising with Putin.



Ah I see now. It is This ****'s shite rather than that Putin ****'s that a few on here are parroting. It was confusing for a while but makes sense now.
 

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