Russian invasion of Ukraine

[BlueHammer85]

Alexey Navalny

@navalny
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5/12 I am from the USSR myself. I was born there. And the main phrase from there - from my childhood - was "fight for peace." I call on everyone to take to the streets and fight for peace.

 

[Chippy_boy]

At least in the West, we're legally allowed to hold our government to account through protests and democratic elections.

I get the point you're trying to make, but comparing today's western world to Russia is chalk and cheese. At this moment in time is any Western country literally invading another sovereign country, committing war crimes and brutally murdering women and children? We even have evidence that they're planning further invasions of a second sovereign country.

Maybe we should let them crack on and do whatever they want because 'Murica invaded 'Nam half a century ago?

Of course not, and you know that was not the position I was taking. FWIW I am pretty well recognised on these forums as being on of the most right wing with strongest right wing views (aka Tory Boy to my many detractors) so I am hardly likely to be a Russian sympathiser, am I ;-)

Merely that we get a very western-slanted perspective on things which is very very different from the average Russian perspective.

 

[meltonblue]

We do seem to be taking our time with the sanctions, should be much much wider than they currently are.

 

[Octavian]

My wife is Russian, she’s lived in the UK for 25 years and whilst definitely not a Putin supporter fits into that 70% as does her father, a very intelligent man, whom I respect a lot. It’s honestly very difficult for me to get my head around their views which are basically that Russians in East Ukraine have been persecuted, murdered etc by a fascist Ukraine over the years and that Putin has up til now done everything he can for a peaceful solution but now has been left with no other option (oh and NATO takes is share of the blame in all this too). These are of course completely opposite to my views but arguing has become impossible - it’s literally like arguing to a mirror - I say ‘you’re being lied to’ - they say ‘no, you are being lied to’.
It’s difficult for me to understand how smart people can think like this, all I’ve come up with is that this belief that the west manipulates the truth has been ingrained in them for decades that it just becomes who they are.
The whole situation is very sad

I feel for you pal. I think the only way to prove her wrong is to show her how the Ukrainians have reacted, there’s footage of those Russian Ukrainians not being pleased with the invasion… but then again she’ll probably say it’s faked.

The human mind is easily manipulated.

 

[bluemoon32]

We do seem to be taking our time with the sanctions, should be much much wider than they currently are.

Taking out sanctions on your mates would make the dinner parties far too awkward

 

[Octavian]

We do seem to be taking our time with the sanctions, should be much much wider than they currently are.

25 sanctioned across the whole EU vs 11 within just one country.

 

[hello]

Interesting about Tunisia, as their air force flew a plane to Rzeszow in Poland yesterday, the airport that is effectively resupplying Ukraine.

Maybe their guy was having 40 winks and didn’t wake up.

 

[Corky]

PL and FA still taking the money it seems. Football leading the way except where it involves not taking Russian money.

25 sanctioned across the whole EU vs 11 within just one country.

 

[domalino]

25 sanctioned across the whole EU vs 11 within just one country.

Lol that's not serious is it?

 

[Tim of the Oak]

25 sanctioned across the whole EU vs 11 within just one country.

We are supposed to be leading the way.