Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Chippy_boy]

I think some of the “Oh please, make this stop!” ideas are simple wishing.

Putin wants ALL of Ukraine. He wants a puppet in place, just like in Belarus, so he has an eastern buffer of “independent” dependencies that he fills with Russian military bases.

He wants ALL of the northern coast of the Black Sea, so his Med/MidEast fleet has unfettered access and US warships, etc. have to steer much clearer of Sevastopol and Odessa.

And, while he’s at it, he’d like the Baltic ELL states back as dependencies, so he has a land bridge to Kaliningrad, his only year round ice free port in N. Europe, and their coastlines.

This is not his endgame, it’s his opening gambit!

Yes, I am sure that's his aspiration. But as it going so spectacularly badly, militarily, politically and economically, do you not think there is a possibility he might compromise and accept a less than perfect (from his perspective) outcome? It's telling that he was prepared to come to the negotiating table so relatively early on. Why would he do that if compromise was not an option?

 

[BlueAnorak]

Owen Jones in the Guardian is telling us how we really can end this. An anti war movement should do the trick. Isn’t Stop The War one of them?

Putin’s aggression makes clear the case for an anti-war movement | Owen Jones

Activists should champion Ukraine’s right to resist and an international order based on shared values and peace, says Guardian columnist Owen Jones

www.theguardian.com

Stop the war wants to stop us supplying arms to Ukraine as well. Corbyn's mob.

 

[youngbob]

I think some of the “Oh please, make this stop!” ideas are simple wishing.

Putin wants ALL of Ukraine. He wants a puppet in place, just like in Belarus, so he has an eastern buffer of “independent” dependencies that he fills with Russian military bases.

He wants ALL of the northern coast of the Black Sea, so his Med/MidEast fleet has unfettered access and US warships, etc. have to steer much clearer of Sevastopol and Odessa.

And, while he’s at it, he’d like the Baltic ELL states back as dependencies, so he has a land bridge to Kaliningrad, his only year round ice free port in N. Europe, and their coastlines.

This is not his endgame, it’s his opening gambit!

If you've got a direct line to his office would you be able to ask him to stop?

 

[bobmcfc]

Chechen Assassination attempts on Zelensky thwarted - with information from Russian Federation security forces!

Assassination plot against Zelensky foiled, Ukraine says

Officials say Chechen special forces were behind attempt to kill Ukraine’s president

www.independent.co.uk

If he died it would be a very dark day for Ukraine. He's trying to move away from corruption and build a brighter, safer future away from the boot of Russia. Is it so bad to want that ?

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

I think some of the “Oh please, make this stop!” ideas are simple wishing.

Putin wants ALL of Ukraine. He wants a puppet in place, just like in Belarus, so he has an eastern buffer of “independent” dependencies that he fills with Russian military bases.

He wants ALL of the northern coast of the Black Sea, so his Med/MidEast fleet has unfettered access and US warships, etc. have to steer much clearer of Sevastopol and Odessa.

And, while he’s at it, he’d like the Baltic ELL states back as dependencies, so he has a land bridge to Kaliningrad, his only year round ice free port in N. Europe, and their coastlines.

This is not his endgame, it’s his opening gambit!

When you put it like that it all sounds fairly reasonable from a strategic/national security perspective!

 

[Octavian]

Not sure I understand your point here? That’s 25 sanctioned in every EU country

Depends if all 25 operate in all EU countries.

 

[Keith Moncrieff]

I think some of the “Oh please, make this stop!” ideas are simple wishing.

Putin wants ALL of Ukraine. He wants a puppet in place, just like in Belarus, so he has an eastern buffer of “independent” dependencies that he fills with Russian military bases.

He wants ALL of the northern coast of the Black Sea, so his Med/MidEast fleet has unfettered access and US warships, etc. have to steer much clearer of Sevastopol and Odessa.

And, while he’s at it, he’d like the Baltic ELL states back as dependencies, so he has a land bridge to Kaliningrad, his only year round ice free port in N. Europe, and their coastlines.

This is not his endgame, it’s his opening gambit!

The **** is the new Hitler

 

[meltonblue]

People making out that this is a league table of who is the best at sanctions. We have no idea of what is going on behind the scenes. I think we should be happy that things across the board are getting done.

He isn’t doing that though, he’s pointing out the impact of the sanctions placed. There’s not much point us sanctioning individuals that don’t have assets here in the first place, we should at least have parity.

 

[Bazzmand Show]

Yes, I am sure that's his aspiration. But as it going so spectacularly badly, militarily, politically and economically, do you not think there is a possibility he might compromise and accept a less than perfect (from his perspective) outcome? It's telling that he was prepared to come to the negotiating table so relatively early on. Why would he do that if compromise was not an option?

I think the come to the table early on was a formality to them. So they can say "well we tried".

They literally upped the bombs during that negotiation.

 

[ChicagoBlue]

Yes, I am sure that's his aspiration. But as it going so spectacularly badly, militarily, politically and economically, do you not think there is a possibility he might compromise and accept a less than perfect (from his perspective) outcome? It's telling that he was prepared to come to the negotiating table so relatively early on. Why would he do that if compromise was not an option?

To be seen to be doing!

The “negotiation” he is looking for is capitulation and surrender…and he might allow Zelenskyy to go live in the South of France.

He will assassinate him later, of course, but “where’s your proof?”