Russian invasion of Ukraine
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This whole thesis depends on the logic that giving in to Russian nuclear blackmail will prevent further nuclear blackmail.
Can you see the problem there?
gordondaviesmoustache
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Nothing to guarantee it, but there are dozens of scenarios that cannot be excluded from the realms of possibility, however if you allow them to dominate your thinking you’d be crippled by indecision. All anyone can do is play the percentages and my view (fwiw) is the scenario you paint is extremely unlikely for lots of perfectly logical reasons.
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GLOBAL COMS CABLES TARGETED BY RUSSIA
A British Royal Navy destroyer escorts the spy ship in the Irish Sea last Friday
This article was written for Telegram by The Analyst.
Russian sabotage submarines have been attacking internet cables in the Baltic, cutting one line that runs from Sweden to Lithuania via the island of Gotland. Another more vital cable was cut that joins Hanko and Helsinki in Finland with Rostock in Germany, the C-Lion1.
At the same time in the Irish Sea, a Russian spy ship equipped with deep diving mini-subs, has been escorted away after spending an undue amount of time hanging around major cables that connect Irish data centres to the UK mainland.
The same ship often hangs over key junction points off Northern Ireland where trans-Atlantic cables meet.
This follows events in 2023 where a Russian ship dragged up the Shetland Islands-UK cable and broke it, and where a Chinese owned Russian crewed ship deliberately dragged its anchor through the cable connecting Finland and Estonia in the Gulf of Bothnia.
Russias abilities to do this kind of damage is surprisingly large. It has surface ships that do little else but spy in cables and have the capacity to cut them. It has one vast Submarine, the Belgorod, that is so big it carries a smaller but sizeable deep diving submarine in its under-hull dock.
The Belgorod now in service
The history of cable snooping goes way back, and has had moments in history. During the Korean 007 airliner incident American listening gear attached to a Russian coms cable that ran from Vladivostok to Petropavlosk Kamchatka proved it was indeed, a deliberate shooting down.
These days it’s far more complicated with 85% of internet traffic carried by fibre optic cables around the world and under the sea.
It’s not just internet cables. The Russians are known to have mapped out the connection lines in the North Sea for the many wind turbines, as well as gas rig pipes.
German Defence Minister Boris Pistorius laid the blame where we all think it should be.
The internet cables and pipeline security issue has become a big issue as the vulnerability has become clear, largely because Russia has made itself so obvious in they way its ships and submarines behave.
Once a singularly national concern, all of Europe, both as EU (whose commerce is affected) and NATO, are taking the matter far more seriously than they ever did. NATO is seeing it as another aspect of its protective mission.
France, the UK, Germany and Holland are all looking at adding cable protection roles to some of their ships, which include deep water drones and early warning systems. Russia seems to have gone about its business so aggressively that yet again it’s woken up otherwise sleeping national security interests.
What’s the purpose of the attacks? Disruption and inconvenience at present. The UK has removed at least one spyware unit from one cable but kept it very quiet. There’s bound to be more simply based on the amount of Russian activity that’s been detected above the cables.
Be in no doubt, there’s no internet without these cables. Cutting one is an inconvenience but a wholesale attack on a wide spectrum of cables under the Atlantic, near the various nodes where they come ashore is quite another.
Can we retaliate? Not like for like, no. 95% of Russian cables are on land – it’s just the geography of the country that makes it that way.
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A British Royal Navy destroyer escorts the spy ship in the Irish Sea last Friday
This article was written for Telegram by The Analyst.
Russian sabotage submarines have been attacking internet cables in the Baltic, cutting one line that runs from Sweden to Lithuania via the island of Gotland. Another more vital cable was cut that joins Hanko and Helsinki in Finland with Rostock in Germany, the C-Lion1.
At the same time in the Irish Sea, a Russian spy ship equipped with deep diving mini-subs, has been escorted away after spending an undue amount of time hanging around major cables that connect Irish data centres to the UK mainland.
The same ship often hangs over key junction points off Northern Ireland where trans-Atlantic cables meet.
This follows events in 2023 where a Russian ship dragged up the Shetland Islands-UK cable and broke it, and where a Chinese owned Russian crewed ship deliberately dragged its anchor through the cable connecting Finland and Estonia in the Gulf of Bothnia.
Russias abilities to do this kind of damage is surprisingly large. It has surface ships that do little else but spy in cables and have the capacity to cut them. It has one vast Submarine, the Belgorod, that is so big it carries a smaller but sizeable deep diving submarine in its under-hull dock.
The Belgorod now in service
The history of cable snooping goes way back, and has had moments in history. During the Korean 007 airliner incident American listening gear attached to a Russian coms cable that ran from Vladivostok to Petropavlosk Kamchatka proved it was indeed, a deliberate shooting down.
These days it’s far more complicated with 85% of internet traffic carried by fibre optic cables around the world and under the sea.
It’s not just internet cables. The Russians are known to have mapped out the connection lines in the North Sea for the many wind turbines, as well as gas rig pipes.
German Defence Minister Boris Pistorius laid the blame where we all think it should be.
The internet cables and pipeline security issue has become a big issue as the vulnerability has become clear, largely because Russia has made itself so obvious in they way its ships and submarines behave.
Once a singularly national concern, all of Europe, both as EU (whose commerce is affected) and NATO, are taking the matter far more seriously than they ever did. NATO is seeing it as another aspect of its protective mission.
France, the UK, Germany and Holland are all looking at adding cable protection roles to some of their ships, which include deep water drones and early warning systems. Russia seems to have gone about its business so aggressively that yet again it’s woken up otherwise sleeping national security interests.
What’s the purpose of the attacks? Disruption and inconvenience at present. The UK has removed at least one spyware unit from one cable but kept it very quiet. There’s bound to be more simply based on the amount of Russian activity that’s been detected above the cables.
Be in no doubt, there’s no internet without these cables. Cutting one is an inconvenience but a wholesale attack on a wide spectrum of cables under the Atlantic, near the various nodes where they come ashore is quite another.
Can we retaliate? Not like for like, no. 95% of Russian cables are on land – it’s just the geography of the country that makes it that way.
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GLOBAL COMS CABLES TARGETED BY RUSSIA
A British Royal Navy destroyer escorts the spy ship in the Irish Sea last Friday
This article was written for Telegram by The Analyst.
Russian sabotage submarines have been attacking internet cables in the Baltic, cutting one line that runs from Sweden to Lithuania via the island of Gotland. Another more vital cable was cut that joins Hanko and Helsinki in Finland with Rostock in Germany, the C-Lion1.
At the same time in the Irish Sea, a Russian spy ship equipped with deep diving mini-subs, has been escorted away after spending an undue amount of time hanging around major cables that connect Irish data centres to the UK mainland.
The same ship often hangs over key junction points off Northern Ireland where trans-Atlantic cables meet.
This follows events in 2023 where a Russian ship dragged up the Shetland Islands-UK cable and broke it, and where a Chinese owned Russian crewed ship deliberately dragged its anchor through the cable connecting Finland and Estonia in the Gulf of Bothnia.
Russias abilities to do this kind of damage is surprisingly large. It has surface ships that do little else but spy in cables and have the capacity to cut them. It has one vast Submarine, the Belgorod, that is so big it carries a smaller but sizeable deep diving submarine in its under-hull dock.
The Belgorod now in service
The history of cable snooping goes way back, and has had moments in history. During the Korean 007 airliner incident American listening gear attached to a Russian coms cable that ran from Vladivostok to Petropavlosk Kamchatka proved it was indeed, a deliberate shooting down.
These days it’s far more complicated with 85% of internet traffic carried by fibre optic cables around the world and under the sea.
It’s not just internet cables. The Russians are known to have mapped out the connection lines in the North Sea for the many wind turbines, as well as gas rig pipes.
German Defence Minister Boris Pistorius laid the blame where we all think it should be.
The internet cables and pipeline security issue has become a big issue as the vulnerability has become clear, largely because Russia has made itself so obvious in they way its ships and submarines behave.
Once a singularly national concern, all of Europe, both as EU (whose commerce is affected) and NATO, are taking the matter far more seriously than they ever did. NATO is seeing it as another aspect of its protective mission.
France, the UK, Germany and Holland are all looking at adding cable protection roles to some of their ships, which include deep water drones and early warning systems. Russia seems to have gone about its business so aggressively that yet again it’s woken up otherwise sleeping national security interests.
What’s the purpose of the attacks? Disruption and inconvenience at present. The UK has removed at least one spyware unit from one cable but kept it very quiet. There’s bound to be more simply based on the amount of Russian activity that’s been detected above the cables.
Be in no doubt, there’s no internet without these cables. Cutting one is an inconvenience but a wholesale attack on a wide spectrum of cables under the Atlantic, near the various nodes where they come ashore is quite another.
Can we retaliate? Not like for like, no. 95% of Russian cables are on land – it’s just the geography of the country that makes it that way.
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Report that the Danes have stopped the ship allegedly responsible.
No idea how reputable the source is.
(((Tendar))) (@tendar.bsky.social)
The Chinese bulk carrier Yi Peng 3 has fully stopped in the Kattegat bay. Danish patrol ship HDMS Søløven is next to it. Danish boarding parties might be on the Chinese cargo ship, which is suspected to be responsible for cutting two undersea cable in the Baltic Sea.
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Plus+13 F-16s coming from
Denmark. It's a small country with a giant heart ready to give a helping hand
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Zelensky said “A thousand days of full-scale war is a very difficult path, and we are enduring it because we have friends like Denmark by our side, and leaders like Prime Minister Mette Frederiksen.I am deeply grateful to Mette Frederiksen for her personal leadership, her team, and the Danish people for their support of Ukraine and our people.
Today, we have a new support package from Denmark, focused primarily on the long-range capabilities that our country urgently needs. Together, we have created a special Danish model for developing Ukraine’s defense industry, and we will continue to strengthen this cooperation. We are already preparing for further joint efforts at the European institutional level“
Well done the Dane’s, Denmark with a big heart
Today, we have a new support package from Denmark, focused primarily on the long-range capabilities that our country urgently needs. Together, we have created a special Danish model for developing Ukraine’s defense industry, and we will continue to strengthen this cooperation. We are already preparing for further joint efforts at the European institutional level“
Well done the Dane’s, Denmark with a big heart
staffsblue
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GLOBAL COMS CABLES TARGETED BY RUSSIA
A British Royal Navy destroyer escorts the spy ship in the Irish Sea last Friday
This article was written for Telegram by The Analyst.
Russian sabotage submarines have been attacking internet cables in the Baltic, cutting one line that runs from Sweden to Lithuania via the island of Gotland. Another more vital cable was cut that joins Hanko and Helsinki in Finland with Rostock in Germany, the C-Lion1.
At the same time in the Irish Sea, a Russian spy ship equipped with deep diving mini-subs, has been escorted away after spending an undue amount of time hanging around major cables that connect Irish data centres to the UK mainland.
The same ship often hangs over key junction points off Northern Ireland where trans-Atlantic cables meet.
This follows events in 2023 where a Russian ship dragged up the Shetland Islands-UK cable and broke it, and where a Chinese owned Russian crewed ship deliberately dragged its anchor through the cable connecting Finland and Estonia in the Gulf of Bothnia.
Russias abilities to do this kind of damage is surprisingly large. It has surface ships that do little else but spy in cables and have the capacity to cut them. It has one vast Submarine, the Belgorod, that is so big it carries a smaller but sizeable deep diving submarine in its under-hull dock.
The Belgorod now in service
The history of cable snooping goes way back, and has had moments in history. During the Korean 007 airliner incident American listening gear attached to a Russian coms cable that ran from Vladivostok to Petropavlosk Kamchatka proved it was indeed, a deliberate shooting down.
These days it’s far more complicated with 85% of internet traffic carried by fibre optic cables around the world and under the sea.
It’s not just internet cables. The Russians are known to have mapped out the connection lines in the North Sea for the many wind turbines, as well as gas rig pipes.
German Defence Minister Boris Pistorius laid the blame where we all think it should be.
The internet cables and pipeline security issue has become a big issue as the vulnerability has become clear, largely because Russia has made itself so obvious in they way its ships and submarines behave.
Once a singularly national concern, all of Europe, both as EU (whose commerce is affected) and NATO, are taking the matter far more seriously than they ever did. NATO is seeing it as another aspect of its protective mission.
France, the UK, Germany and Holland are all looking at adding cable protection roles to some of their ships, which include deep water drones and early warning systems. Russia seems to have gone about its business so aggressively that yet again it’s woken up otherwise sleeping national security interests.
What’s the purpose of the attacks? Disruption and inconvenience at present. The UK has removed at least one spyware unit from one cable but kept it very quiet. There’s bound to be more simply based on the amount of Russian activity that’s been detected above the cables.
Be in no doubt, there’s no internet without these cables. Cutting one is an inconvenience but a wholesale attack on a wide spectrum of cables under the Atlantic, near the various nodes where they come ashore is quite another.
Can we retaliate? Not like for like, no. 95% of Russian cables are on land – it’s just the geography of the country that makes it that way.
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Was there any public update on the incident before the day of the start of the Olympics in Paris where railway signal cables were cut at strategic locations on high speed routes throughout France?
Thought at the time it had the stench of Russian sabotage.
mosssideblue
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He might give the order, but he doesn't press the button
Scottyboi
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Not sure, thought that was French protesters? Alot of sabotage going on all round I think, but would be foolish for the Chinese to get involved with internet cables.