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Russian invasion of Ukraine
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That must have taken a massive effort. Well done guys !!
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I’ve done a wee bit of digging, and whilst you always have to be wary of going down a rabbit hole, your own logarithms and confirmation bias I think it’s likely that the Russian economy is stood on the edge of a precipice and could unravel at great speed. The rouble is tanking, interest rates are at crippling levels and inflation is starting to accelerate away.
Who knows how the land will lie in a couple of months?
One thing is for certain, the Putin that Trump will be dealing with in 2025 will be an entirely different beast from the one he encountered in 2017.
He’s gone from Billy Big Bollocks to Howard Hughes in eight years.
Who knows how the land will lie in a couple of months?
One thing is for certain, the Putin that Trump will be dealing with in 2025 will be an entirely different beast from the one he encountered in 2017.
He’s gone from Billy Big Bollocks to Howard Hughes in eight years.
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The art of counter attack after destroying a Russiam assault in the same area the other day.
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Day 1005 Review:
Ukraine Invasion Day 1,005: UKR negotiating transfers of air defense systems for IRBMs
President Volodymyr Zelenskyy announced that Ukraine is requesting advanced air defense systems from Western allies after Russia launched an ultra-fast ballistic missile at Dnipro this week. Zelenskyy has instructed Defense Minister Rustem Umerov to...
www.dailykos.com
Scottyboi
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THE EASTERN SUMMIT
The EU/NATO Governments of Eastern Europe – excluding the troublemakers of Slovakia and Orban’s Russia worshipping autocracy Hungary, are meeting in Stockholm this week. All of Scandinavia, the Baltic states, Poland, Czechia, & Romania are looking at how, in the event of Trump cutting aid, which seems to me to be inevitable the more you see his picks for the administration (7 billionaires so far and 30 others who worked on Project 2025), what can they do as a group to help support Ukraine.
If you’re wondering why this doesn’t include the western EU and NATO states it’s got a lot to do with the weakness of Germany, as it enters a difficult election cycle and yet more indescribable indecision. Add to that a less than strong French government that is barely holding a coalition together. Germany is economically on the down, France is spending 6% more money than it earns and has to reduce that to 3% because of its membership of the EU and fiscal rules, and besides it’s simply unsustainable. The UK is giving what it’s giving and is outside of the EU and the economic benefits and system the others are in, so it has no place at this table.
The Eastern group knows they are next if Trump tries to go down the isolationist path, lets Putin have his way and looks to impose a peace Ukraine can’t accept.
That means they have to stand up and be ready – and if the west of Europe doesn’t feel threatened, well they do. They will not let Ukraine go down without a fight.
The aim is to standardise ammunition supply approaches, industrial development, maintain humanitarian aid, drone partnerships, and so on.
Yet it is also about working as a bloc to make sure the whole EU and NATO pulls its weight, and drag the rest along with it.
A good deal of it will be spent on integrating air forces commands – Sweden/Finland the Baltics are already setting up a joint air force command structure to help them work more closely together. Expect others to join. Expect a wider Baltic Sea cross-cooperation even tighter than it has been but working if needs be, separated from NATO if Trump makes it difficult to operate.
None of these countries are planning on being next on Putin’s menu.
The main focus though is Ukraine – what to do to keep it fighting as long as it needs to fight.
I find this endeavour to be one of foresight and imagination. Poland has been the leader in this and the others quickly came together. Eastern Europe has woken up to the threat it faces and it’s doing something for Ukraine and itself. It will also strengthen their voice in NATO and in the EU to get more done and create greater self reliance when Trump inevitably as they see it, falls to Putin’s flattery. With an administration filled with Russia supporting, taking point reposting fools, we all know where this is going. We saw it all before and we’re going to see it all again but worse this time.
The frontlines are under huge stress. The political aspect of the missile strikes and the introduction of IRBM’s has been allowed to complicate matters when it should not have. There’s nothing here to see. Russia is using a new type of missile. That’s it. So what? The surprise element is out of the way, done. He doesn’t have many and it will be months before they can produce them in volume. He isn’t going to use nuclear weapons. Move on.
What Trump does won’t surprise us. Assume it’s a mess and we won’t like it. If it’s better that’s good, if not it’s no surprise and we knew it would get tough. Being prepared is what matters – and no pandering to him or to Putin.
It’s time Europe found its teeth and put them back in. The Eastern Europeans and the Baltics must lead the way. With Ukraine and if needs be, without America.
Combined we win. It’s that simple.
‘The Analyst’
Slava Ukraine !
The EU/NATO Governments of Eastern Europe – excluding the troublemakers of Slovakia and Orban’s Russia worshipping autocracy Hungary, are meeting in Stockholm this week. All of Scandinavia, the Baltic states, Poland, Czechia, & Romania are looking at how, in the event of Trump cutting aid, which seems to me to be inevitable the more you see his picks for the administration (7 billionaires so far and 30 others who worked on Project 2025), what can they do as a group to help support Ukraine.
If you’re wondering why this doesn’t include the western EU and NATO states it’s got a lot to do with the weakness of Germany, as it enters a difficult election cycle and yet more indescribable indecision. Add to that a less than strong French government that is barely holding a coalition together. Germany is economically on the down, France is spending 6% more money than it earns and has to reduce that to 3% because of its membership of the EU and fiscal rules, and besides it’s simply unsustainable. The UK is giving what it’s giving and is outside of the EU and the economic benefits and system the others are in, so it has no place at this table.
The Eastern group knows they are next if Trump tries to go down the isolationist path, lets Putin have his way and looks to impose a peace Ukraine can’t accept.
That means they have to stand up and be ready – and if the west of Europe doesn’t feel threatened, well they do. They will not let Ukraine go down without a fight.
The aim is to standardise ammunition supply approaches, industrial development, maintain humanitarian aid, drone partnerships, and so on.
Yet it is also about working as a bloc to make sure the whole EU and NATO pulls its weight, and drag the rest along with it.
A good deal of it will be spent on integrating air forces commands – Sweden/Finland the Baltics are already setting up a joint air force command structure to help them work more closely together. Expect others to join. Expect a wider Baltic Sea cross-cooperation even tighter than it has been but working if needs be, separated from NATO if Trump makes it difficult to operate.
None of these countries are planning on being next on Putin’s menu.
The main focus though is Ukraine – what to do to keep it fighting as long as it needs to fight.
I find this endeavour to be one of foresight and imagination. Poland has been the leader in this and the others quickly came together. Eastern Europe has woken up to the threat it faces and it’s doing something for Ukraine and itself. It will also strengthen their voice in NATO and in the EU to get more done and create greater self reliance when Trump inevitably as they see it, falls to Putin’s flattery. With an administration filled with Russia supporting, taking point reposting fools, we all know where this is going. We saw it all before and we’re going to see it all again but worse this time.
The frontlines are under huge stress. The political aspect of the missile strikes and the introduction of IRBM’s has been allowed to complicate matters when it should not have. There’s nothing here to see. Russia is using a new type of missile. That’s it. So what? The surprise element is out of the way, done. He doesn’t have many and it will be months before they can produce them in volume. He isn’t going to use nuclear weapons. Move on.
What Trump does won’t surprise us. Assume it’s a mess and we won’t like it. If it’s better that’s good, if not it’s no surprise and we knew it would get tough. Being prepared is what matters – and no pandering to him or to Putin.
It’s time Europe found its teeth and put them back in. The Eastern Europeans and the Baltics must lead the way. With Ukraine and if needs be, without America.
Combined we win. It’s that simple.
‘The Analyst’
Slava Ukraine !
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The "end of the world" cartoon video has been deleted, please don't repost it
CTID1977
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sleep well Manchester, this beast won't invade you in the upcoming ww3 ;)