Russian invasion of Ukraine

I’ve watched a number of commentators talk about a negotiated settlement to this war in recent weeks, which have understandably intensified since Trump was reelected - and whilst they mostly talk about Ukraine ceding territory, NATO membership and/or security guarantees (whatever the fuck that means) It’s telling that not one has mentioned the sanctions and the frozen assets both of which, presumably, will need some form of resolution as part of any ‘deal’.

The silence is deafening on a topic that surely must be central to any agreement. And, as I’ve posted before, what is the answer to the issue of sanctions? That Russia will be welcomed back into the fold like a naughty child? As long as they promise not to do it again? That trading relations will be resumed with the rest of Europe, which will enable Russia to rearm more quickly than if the sanctions remained in place? So they can go again in a few years?

Facing up to military reality is one thing but how is this issue going to be addressed in a way that all parties can live with? And where European politicians don’t look utterly foolish.

Personally, if Ukraine was forced to give up land then I simply don’t want any western nation to deal with Russia again, and I expect I’m not alone in thinking that. They need to be isolated from the more civilised world as a consequence of their actions.

They cannot be seen to profit from their conduct and I would be fucking fuming if we capitulated on this.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
I’ve watched a number of commentators talk about a negotiated settlement to this war in recent weeks, which have understandably intensified since Trump was reelected - and whilst they mostly talk about Ukraine ceding territory, NATO membership and/or security guarantees (whatever the fuck that means) It’s telling that not one has mentioned the sanctions and the frozen assets both of which, presumably, will need some form of resolution as part of any ‘deal’.

The silence is deafening on a topic that surely must be central to any agreement. And, as I’ve posted before, what is the answer to the issue of sanctions? That Russia will be welcomed back into the fold like a naughty child? As long as they promise not to do it again? That trading relations will be resumed with the rest of Europe, which will enable Russia to rearm more quickly than if the sanctions remained in place? So they can go again in a few years?

Facing up to military reality is one thing but how is this issue going to be addressed in a way that all parties can live with? And where European politicians don’t look utterly foolish.

Personally, if Ukraine was forced to give up land then I simply don’t want any western nation to deal with Russia again, and I expect I’m not alone in thinking that. They need to be isolated from the more civilised world as a consequence of their actions.

They cannot be seen to profit from their conduct and I would be fucking fuming if we capitulated on this.
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You seem to be suggesting that finishing the war in a day might not be a realistic possibility.

Shame on you, not having faith in our Orange Overlord.
 
roubaixtuesday said:
You seem to be suggesting that finishing the war in a day might not be a realistic possibility.

Shame on you, not having faith in our Orange Overlord.
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It’ll take a weekend at least…

It’s insanely complex and the silence on the issue of sanctions and the frozen assets is conspicuous. I can’t see how it’s not central to any ‘deal’.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
I’ve watched a number of commentators talk about a negotiated settlement to this war in recent weeks, which have understandably intensified since Trump was reelected - and whilst they mostly talk about Ukraine ceding territory, NATO membership and/or security guarantees (whatever the fuck that means) It’s telling that not one has mentioned the sanctions and the frozen assets both of which, presumably, will need some form of resolution as part of any ‘deal’.

The silence is deafening on a topic that surely must be central to any agreement. And, as I’ve posted before, what is the answer to the issue of sanctions? That Russia will be welcomed back into the fold like a naughty child? As long as they promise not to do it again? That trading relations will be resumed with the rest of Europe, which will enable Russia to rearm more quickly than if the sanctions remained in place? So they can go again in a few years?

Facing up to military reality is one thing but how is this issue going to be addressed in a way that all parties can live with? And where European politicians don’t look utterly foolish.

Personally, if Ukraine was forced to give up land then I simply don’t want any western nation to deal with Russia again, and I expect I’m not alone in thinking that. They need to be isolated from the more civilised world as a consequence of their actions.

They cannot be seen to profit from their conduct and I would be fucking fuming if we capitulated on this.
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Agree.

U think its going to be incredibly difficult to resolve this war as Putin has fked up the Russian economy over it.

If the war just ended and there was no deal on sanctions then Russias economy just continues to collapse and Putin looks weak. He needs to be able to claim some form of victory and have sanctions released so he can spark some sort of recovery. He is a million miles away from getting that right now.

Putin is funding this war with foreign currency reserves. I don't think we know what they have left and how long they can go on. All wars are wars of attrition, something will give.
 
“Fighter Bomber reported that 7 of 8 ATACMS were shot down over Kursk, and the airbase was empty with no targetsThe Russian MOD reported that all 8 ATACMS Missiles were shot downIn reality, at least 5 ATACMS successfully struck Kursk Air Base, likely destroying an S-400 System“
 
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