Russian invasion of Ukraine

gordondaviesmoustache said:
It’s a really odd state of affairs. I’m conscious that this thread can be somewhat tendentious at times, and yet even taking that into account it’s clear that the fuller picture with this conflict extends way beyond the tortuous and costly advances that the Russians have been making this spring and summer. The current situation with oil refineries and the impact that is having on the Russian people being a case in point. The Vietnam war should teach anyone that perpetual tactical victories on the battlefield do not always end in strategic victory.

If nothing else, there’s a wider story to report which isn’t really happening.

The picture here is much more nuanced than is being presented in the UK MSM, which seems pretty binary and largely favourable to the Russians in a way that doesn’t make sense based on an objective analysis of the theatre.

Any of us could be proved wrong at any time, of course, and the frontline could collapse, but this seems highly unlikely to me, and a more likely collapse is the Russian economy, or at least a severe hampering to the point that it will impact severely on Russia’s capacity to continue to prosecute this war, and yet that hardly ever seems to get reported.
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Excellent post!
 
bluethrunthru said:
Steve Rosenberg their Moscow correspondent is very good - see my post above - personally I have no idea why the Russians haven't kicked him out
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I agree, but he's not what I'm complaining about, he does a great job in a very difficult circumstances, in his case I don't really understand why he puts up with it, but he's true to his profession.

It's the ones sat here in safety, probably in salford, regurgitating the shit from the russian shrills I can't do with
 
cleavers said:
I agree, but he's not what I'm complaining about, he does a great job in a very difficult circumstances, in his case I don't really understand why he puts up with it, but he's true to his profession.

It's the ones sat here in safety, probably in salford, regurgitating the shit from the russian shrills I can't do with
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also those shilling for Zionists - the BBC has become rotten since Boris Johnsons appointments to the top brass - imagine that eh?
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
Any of us could be proved wrong at any time, of course, and the frontline could collapse, but this seems highly unlikely to me, and a more likely collapse is the Russian economy, or at least a severe hampering to the point that it will impact severely on Russia’s capacity to continue to prosecute this war, and yet that hardly ever seems to get reported.
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It's quite frustrating really, it's like the reporting of City against the rag/dippers.
 
bluethrunthru said:
also those shilling for Zionists - the BBC has become rotten since Boris Johnsons appointments to the top brass - imagine that eh?
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Rubbish, the BBC is easy stick to beat and they get pelters from those on the left and those on the right - both sides thinks the BBC is against them. It’s boring.
 
This is interesting. A joint US$ 50 billion Ukraine/US drone deal. Ukraine is way ahead of the US in drone development so this is mutually beneficial for both parties. Ukraine supplies drones and receives weapons in return.

euromaidanpress.com

Ukraine advances $50 billion deal with US during meeting with Kellogg in Kyiv - Euromaidan Press

Ukraine's proposed annual production of 10 million drones would dwarf current manufacturing while establishing the country as world's defense technology powerhouse.
euromaidanpress.com euromaidanpress.com
 
SPIDERBOY said:
The Russians have been sending small groups on suicide missions.
The groups dont know that they will get no support or supplies.
when they get to where they need to be,they send photos back to their command.
They are then left to be captured or whatever.
Command then use the photos to claim a breakthrough or the taking of a village,when no such thing has happened.
Russian propagandists push it none stop,and the Russian people belive it.
Slava Ukraini.
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Not just the Russian people. The tentacles extend way beyond that. Their ability to convince swathes of people in the west that there was some sort of agreement about NATO expansion eastwards despite there being zero evidence in circulation to support it, being a case in point.

If there’s one thing the cunts are good at, it’s propaganda.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
Rubbish, the BBC is easy stick to beat and they get pelters from those on the left and those on the right - both sides thinks the BBC is against them. It’s boring.
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Probably true but they do take sides so have polarised views of news rather than simply news.
Like the rest of the media they sell their news to their researched largest audience in a biased diet the audience understands.
 
cleavers said:
bbc only post what putin likes, never much about the shit going on elsewhere where defeat is ongoing, especially at oil/gas terminals behind the lines, and the lack of fuel etc.
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Yep - the main news providers in the west are silent on Russian defeats for some reason.
All part of the "Inevitable Russian Victory" mantra, spawned by Trump and Western "Oligarchs" for some reason.
Actual reporting of what has actually happened is non existant.
Sadly Putin's AI bots control the media agenda.
Not sure if it's lazy journalism or something far more sinister.
 
Úrcalpete said:
Is this something to worry about?
www.bbc.com

Ukraine admits Russia has entered key region of Dnipropetrovsk

Military says Russian advance "is the first attack of such a large scale" in industrial province.
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I refer you to the Sunny offensive. Initially successful but subsequently a disaster for Russia. Similarly for the recent Pokrovsk offensive.
Ukraine gives a bit but doesnt buckle, watches what happens then strikes at weakness in the extended Russian front lines and supply routes. It does not sacrifice soldiers to needlessly hold fields, tree lines and small villages.
A good history of recent events...
 
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BlueAnorak said:
I refer you to the Sunny offensive. Initially successful but subsequently a disaster for Russia. Similarly for the recent Pokrovsk offensive.
Ukraine gives, watches what happens then strikes. It does not sacrifice soldiers to needlessly hold fields, tree lines and small villages.
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I note this report is gains in an industrial area so does this follow the same Ukrainian defence plan as fields etc?
 
Úrcalpete said:
I note this report is gains in an industrial area so does this follow the same Ukrainian defence plan as fields etc?
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I think the honest answer is that we don’t know. The front line has been fairly static for months with territorial gains and losses on both sides with Russia gaining more albeit at huge cost.

I don’t pretend to have any insight, but I can’t see how this incremental territorial gain strategy at huge cost is sustainable.
 
BobKowalski said:
I think the honest answer is that we don’t know. The front line has been fairly static for months with territorial gains and losses on both sides with Russia gaining more albeit at huge cost.

I don’t pretend to have any insight, but I can’t see how this incremental territorial gain strategy at huge cost is sustainable.
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It should be noted that taking industrial areas comes at the greatest cost to Russia. The Industrial area is a demolished wasteland once they have taken it.
A greater cost to UkrIne too as glide bombs and lots of them are generally the only tactic that works - but again nowhere at the same level.
 
Day 1282 Review:
www.dailykos.com

Ukraine Invasion Day 1,282: The Two Week War again

Russian forces conducted a series of drone strikes against Ukraine on the night of August 25 and 26. The cost of UKR’s FP-1 is about $55,000, and the RU "Shahed" is $193,000. The Ukrainian Air Force reported that Russian forces launched 59 Shahed-type...
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Trump gives another 2 week, probably meaningless, deadline.
 
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