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lee_wsm
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Not as good as Sandro but unlike some I do like having some English players as they hit the ground running quicker and don't have to worry about players not settling into a new country plus he is a champions league winner
Delphacito
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agreed mate. LB is our thinnest position by far yet we don’t seem to want depth there. BAffles me really.The reactions to this deal have been disgraceful. Why is it that literally whenever we are linked to an English player no matter how good they actually are there's a corner of this forum that needs to shit on them. So tedious. Walker thread is proof positive as is this one.
Neville Kneville
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Good thing we're not a national team then.
Most English players these days are a bit 'wooden' compared to the better overseas ones. We produce athletes, some of whom have a couple of good skills. Most are lacking something.
Walker & Betrtrand would be a considerable improvement on what we are used to, but in Bertrand's case, not as marked an improvement & I really hope Bertrand is the 2nd fullback, not the main one. If he wasn't English, he would have no chance of being scouted from a lesser team in Spain or Italy, we just wouldn't bother.
Neville Kneville
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Its an English thing to pick up all the negative of english players and disregard there good parts whereas any foreign player being looked at is reversed
The attributes of most English players usually involve athleticism or strength in there somewhere. Rarely is football intelligence the main one.
The reactions to this deal have been disgraceful. Why is it that literally whenever we are linked to an English player no matter how good they actually are there's a corner of this forum that needs to shit on them. So tedious. Walker thread is proof positive as is this one.
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Neville Kneville
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He is incredibly smart and has his head on right. Look at his business ventures.
Perhaps we're signing him as a sponsor ?
BillyShears
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Most English players these days are a bit 'wooden' compared to the better overseas ones. We produce athletes, some of whom have a couple of good skills. Most are lacking something.
Walker & Betrtrand would be a considerable improvement on what we are used to, but in Bertrand's case, not as marked an improvement & I really hope Bertrand is the 2nd fullback, not the main one. If he wasn't English, he would have no chance of being scouted from a lesser team in Spain or Italy, we just wouldn't bother.
Bertrand is a more complete full back than Mendy currently. Mendy has some
Amazing physical and technical attributes but it's the bit between the ears that's lacking. A year ago Marseille washed their hands of him.
So although Bertrand may have limitations (like any player) he's a top full back imo. Says a lot that Pep wants him this summer. It isn't a summer of buying "squad" fillers. I'd guess Bertrand will start the season if we sign him and Mendy will get eased in. Full backs will get rotated loads.
Neville Kneville
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Bertrand is a more complete full back than Mendy currently. Mendy has some
Amazing physical and technical attributes but it's the bit between the ears that's lacking. A year ago Marseille washed their hands of him.
So although Bertrand may have limitations (like any player) he's a top full back imo. Says a lot that Pep wants him this summer. It isn't a summer of buying "squad" fillers. I'd guess Bertrand will start the season if we sign him and Mendy will get eased in. Full backs will get rotated loads.
Neither of them are the sharpest tools in the box when it comes to football imo. But Mendy is a scary fucker to play against.
BringBackSwales
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Through somewhat gritted teeth I agree. Bertrand and Walker are very good full backs, who would improve us considerably, yet they get slagged off because they lack the shininess of being from overseas. I haven't seen enough of Mendy to KNOW he will be better than Bertrand, and I think if we buy him it means Pep rates himThe reactions to this deal have been disgraceful. Why is it that literally whenever we are linked to an English player no matter how good they actually are there's a corner of this forum that needs to shit on them. So tedious. Walker thread is proof positive as is this one.
Neville Kneville
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Through somewhat gritted teeth I agree. Bertrand and Walker are very good full backs, who would improve us considerably, yet they get slagged off because they lack the shininess of being from overseas. I haven't seen enough of Mendy to KNOW he will be better than Bertrand, and I think if we buy him it means Pep rates him
Do you think we'd be chasing Bertrand if he was an Estonian playing for Herha Berlin & available for 10 mil ?
I don't. He's English & plays here, that's why he's relevant.
Do you think we'd be chasing Bertrand if he was an Estonian playing for Herha Berlin & available for 10 mil ?
I don't. He's English & plays here, that's why he's relevant.
Do you think we'd be buying him if he wasn't good enough?
If that not all that matters? He's good enough in the eyes of the guy in charge.
The fact he's familiar with the league and is English might be a bonus which gets him ahead of Vitali from Estonia, but who cares? I don't believe his nationality is the driving factor behind the transfer.
Why not, we bought a Belgian from Hamburg for less. We took a gamble on a 2nd rate Brazilian from Portuguese league (even though it didn't work)Do you think we'd be chasing Bertrand if he was an Estonian playing for Herha Berlin & available for 10 mil ?
I don't. He's English & plays here, that's why he's relevant.
Plus why is this even an argument, don't we need players to fill our HG quota anyways? and what's better to fill it with a player who's actually decent and definitely an upgrade on what he's replacing.
BringBackSwales
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We are, allegedly, after him because the manager believes he is the right person and price for the position. I can only assume if there was a better player for the position, at the right price, in the manager's view, then he would be after him. I agree that being English and having played in England are key factors in terms of both the PL/UEFA rules, and the manager's likely views on relevant experienceDo you think we'd be chasing Bertrand if he was an Estonian playing for Herha Berlin & available for 10 mil ?
I don't. He's English & plays here, that's why he's relevant.
Graceyboy
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Well he's already played in one... And won
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Tugay One Cup
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Why not, we bought a Belgian from Hamburg for less.
The whole world knew about Kompany since he burst on the scene at 17 and made his international debut at 18. A terrific player who was destined for stardom from a young age and had a maturity beyond his years; similar to how Tielemans has looked so far.
I don't know what I'm getting at other than Vinnie isn't a great example of a little known player signing for us out of the blue. Zabaleta might be a better case.
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Through somewhat gritted teeth I agree. Bertrand and Walker are very good full backs, who would improve us considerably, yet they get slagged off because they lack the shininess of being from overseas. I haven't seen enough of Mendy to KNOW he will be better than Bertrand, and I think if we buy him it means Pep rates him
Anybody know why Chelsea sold Bertrand. Surplus to requirements or non football reasons?
Iamthemusicman
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The whole world knew about Kompany since he burst on the scene at 17 and made his international debut at 18. A terrific player who was destined for stardom from a young age and had a maturity beyond his years; similar to how Tielemans has looked so far.
I don't know what I'm getting at other than Vinnie isn't a great example of a little known player signing for us out of the blue. Zabaleta might be a better case.
I remember reading about VK in MATCH magazine when I was about 10 and always buying him on FM 2008.
I'd be very pleased with Bertrand, for me he's level with Rose as the best LB in the PL. £20M would be a very good deal in my opinion.