safe standing permission granted

[mrtwiceaseason]

Yeah, i heard that too, which didn't seem to tally with what I'd read previously.

I'm also not sure how much it would actually help with the atmosphere. The old way of standing helped because you could pay on the turnstile, stand with your mates, and congregate anywhere you wanted on the terrace with like-minded fans. None of that is possible with rail seats and I just can't see the English clubs being arsed to go through with it; they simply don't need to at this stage.

Agree with you think that having to buy a ticket months in advance when maybe half your group carnt commit plays a bigger part than standing in atmosphere.
The only way round would be match day tickets marked unreserved standing

 

[Mad Eyed Screamer]

That's right, the all-seater rule that was applied to the Scottish top flight was a self-imposed decision by the football authorities.

The UK Government ''suggested'' to the SPL that if they didn't bring in the all seater requirement then they would come under the auspices of the Football Licensing Authority which would then enforce the rule.

 

[Mad Eyed Screamer]

Although that is correct, the legislation doesn't prevent English clubs from introducing rail seating (The Safe-Standing design that's going to be used at Celtic Park). The legislation basically says every fan should be provided a seat, which they would be, it would just be locked upwards.

The legislation needs changing either way, everyone who's been to football games knows it's a completely different ball game to the 1980's. Crowd control is 100x better. The be all and end all in my view is that people stand at every single ground in the country, that isn't going to change so we should accept it and provide a safe means of doing so.

The legislation may not prevent English clubs introducing it, but the Football Licensing Authority will. I think they have changed their name now to the Sports Stadium Authority or something like that, but they have the say as to any design on any stadium and simply say ''no'' on the basis that such design would encourage fans to stand - completely ignoring the blatant fact that fans are standing anyway!

 

[ancoats]

Although that is correct, the legislation doesn't prevent English clubs from introducing rail seating (The Safe-Standing design that's going to be used at Celtic Park). The legislation basically says every fan should be provided a seat, which they would be, it would just be locked upwards.

The legislation needs changing either way, everyone who's been to football games knows it's a completely different ball game to the 1980's. Crowd control is 100x better. The be all and end all in my view is that people stand at every single ground in the country, that isn't going to change so we should accept it and provide a safe means of doing so.

also back in the old days of standing 1970s/1980s clubs like man city and our chairman (swales) was on the fiddle with gates and some of the gates at maine road was shocking 1 the official gates was but out at 17.000 but he kippax was full and most of the seats in the main stand was full also about 3.000 aways fans

I not saying it was just the club also many dodgy people worked on the gates doubling up the fans and many of them also took money from friends in pubs the night before and just let them jump over it was so bent by both club and turnstile workers they even had them signing off there official gate number in pencil so they could fiddle the numbers

how do I know all this was happing well working for the club on the turnstiles in the early 1990 and you had to work up the ladder from locking up gates to turnstiles and when you had the job on turnstiles you was put right about what you could get away with by the old lads and they had a crew of people you could work for on the take and they had lads on the outside with season tickets from books each game had a number and they pass the tickets they took and resold them to the lad outside

I stayed well clear of them and just did my job but they would push you every game for tickets I would say about over 300 tickets was being resold each game and that was just on the kippax

so today you could not get away with it with the all tickets games and the electric gates so safe stand would work you know how many fans are in the ground so why not bring it back

 

[mancityvstoke]

The legal aspects of standing is not clear ....ask any MP

 

[greasedupdeafguy]

Totally pointless if it doesn't increase the capacity

 

[mancityvstoke]

Totally pointless if it doesn't increase the capacity

Standing?

 

[Blue Theatre]

The way the rail-seats work, it presumably allows Celtic, if they wanted to, to say that certain games (if they were playing Rangers, for example) are still all-seater, for safety's sake ?

And if Celtic go through a season with their standing, and there's no trouble ... then I'd expect some English clubs to say they should be next to try it out. It looks like standing is going to return to England sooner or later, it's just a matter of when ?

 

[Mad Eyed Screamer]

The way the rail-seats work, it presumably allows Celtic, if they wanted to, to say that certain games (if they were playing Rangers, for example) are still all-seater, for safety's sake ?

And if Celtic go through a season with their standing, and there's no trouble ... then I'd expect some English clubs to say they should be next to try it out. It looks like standing is going to return to England sooner or later, it's just a matter of when ?

They would have to have them as ''seats'' for the European games

 

[ancoats]

Totally pointless if it doesn't increase the capacity

it does increase the capacity by 2 to 1 and fans can stand where they like so they can bunch up making it louder