Saido Berahino

[kunaguero10]

Berahino is in the same category as Danny Ings and Jay Rodriguez, we won't be signing him. Dzeko is 5 times the player he is.

 

[Ballertelli]

If berahino leaves, one of the clubs in the frame would be Liverpool as he is likely to play regular if he went there and he has links there. He nearly left wba last summer so possible he may go this summer. Not heard anything about our supposed interest.

Unless he changes his agent I doubt Liverpool would go anywhere near him atm

+1

 

[Yates]

Yes. In the last 5 years we've spent - £38m Aguero
£28m Dzeko
£22m Balotelli
£22m Jovetic
£16m Negredo
£25m Bony

Total £149m or so.

Ibrahimovic - £71m
Neymar - £71.5m
Suarez - £76m
Sanchez - £25m
Villa - £30m

Total £273.5m or so, plus whoever else they signed

Sanchez and Neymar are more wingers/forwards than your typical striker type but even at that it seems Barca have still spent more but was IBRA really £71 mil??

£49m and Eto'o (who sources close to the two clubs reported was valued at £22m in the transaction).

Ah yes, of course forgot about Eto'o going the other way

 

[johnmc]

I think he's quite clearly saying that Kelechi is a better player than Berahino, in pretty much every way, which I'd be inclined to agree with. So if we did sign Berahino, he'd quickly get stuck behind Kelechi in the pecking order

Ok. So on what do you base this on. As one has proven they can score in the premier league and the other hasn't had an appearance yet. You are speculating about how he will cope in the league. I hope you are right but it is just guess work. As others have said Negrado, considered a resounding success had 9 goals in a season. Berahino has 14 at 21 years old in a poor side. I'd be happy to have Ihnacho rather than Berahino as we need to start producing but to automatically say he would be better than Berahino when he does get in the side is speculation.

There is so much more to football than goal scoring statistics, to most players at least. Negredo had an awfu lot more to his game than that, as does Kelechi. Berahino doesn't, at least in my opinion, he seems to be an incredibly limited player to me. You ask what I'm basing it on, well I'm basing this on watching them play, not on statistics or on guess work.

Strikers are largely judged on goals.

Anyway. You have seen Kelechi play. Fine. I guarantee you haven't seen him at premier league level. And if he is scoring 14 goals at age 21 then he will be doing very well. Have a look at a lot of the top strikers the premier league has seen. Not many were scoring more at 21 and not sure there is more than a handful that have broken 20 goals at that age. It's a little cocksure to say Berahino is limited and Kelechi will eclipse him. We all hope that but you are almost certain it will happen.

You are totally basing it on guess work.

 

[BigOscar]

Ok. So on what do you base this on. As one has proven they can score in the premier league and the other hasn't had an appearance yet. You are speculating about how he will cope in the league. I hope you are right but it is just guess work. As others have said Negrado, considered a resounding success had 9 goals in a season. Berahino has 14 at 21 years old in a poor side. I'd be happy to have Ihnacho rather than Berahino as we need to start producing but to automatically say he would be better than Berahino when he does get in the side is speculation.

There is so much more to football than goal scoring statistics, to most players at least. Negredo had an awfu lot more to his game than that, as does Kelechi. Berahino doesn't, at least in my opinion, he seems to be an incredibly limited player to me. You ask what I'm basing it on, well I'm basing this on watching them play, not on statistics or on guess work.

Strikers are largely judged on goals.

Anyway. You have seen Kelechi play. Fine. I guarantee you haven't seen him at premier league level. And if he is scoring 14 goals at age 21 then he will be doing very well. Have a look at a lot of the top strikers the premier league has seen. Not many were scoring more at 21 and not sure there is more than a handful that have broken 20 goals at that age. It's a little cocksure to say Berahino is limited and Kelechi will eclipse him. We all hope that but you are almost certain it will happen.

You are totally basing it on guess work.

Again, you are only talking about goal statistics, which are only a very small part of football, particularly with a player who's only had one goalscoring season(and who a third of his goals are penalties). He reminds me of Jermain Defoe, who was in a pretty similar position at his age, only with one or two more 10 goal seasons under his belt at this point and a bit more of an all round game than Berahino has. He moved to Spurs for about £6m and went on to be a relatively useful upper/midtable goal poacher, and I expect Berahino to do the same. Kelechi on the other hand has the potential (and yes, I know it's still only potential at this stage) to be a hell of a lot more than that.

 

[johnmc]

There is so much more to football than goal scoring statistics, to most players at least. Negredo had an awfu lot more to his game than that, as does Kelechi. Berahino doesn't, at least in my opinion, he seems to be an incredibly limited player to me. You ask what I'm basing it on, well I'm basing this on watching them play, not on statistics or on guess work.

Strikers are largely judged on goals.

Anyway. You have seen Kelechi play. Fine. I guarantee you haven't seen him at premier league level. And if he is scoring 14 goals at age 21 then he will be doing very well. Have a look at a lot of the top strikers the premier league has seen. Not many were scoring more at 21 and not sure there is more than a handful that have broken 20 goals at that age. It's a little cocksure to say Berahino is limited and Kelechi will eclipse him. We all hope that but you are almost certain it will happen.

You are totally basing it on guess work.

Again, you are only talking about goal statistics, which are only a very small part of football, particularly with a player who's only had one goalscoring season(and who a third of his goals are penalties). He reminds me of Jermain Defoe, who was in a pretty similar position at his age, only with one or two more 10 goal seasons under his belt at this point and a bit more of an all round game than Berahino has. He moved to Spurs for about £6m and went on to be a relatively useful upper/midtable goal poacher, and I expect Berahino to do the same. Kelechi on the other hand has the potential (and yes, I know it's still only potential at this stage) to be a hell of a lot more than that.

I don't disagree. But it is guess work. You could easily say Berahino has a lot more to learn and improve. Jermaine Defoe did not have the goal figures Berahino has at the same age. Maybe he will flop. Maybe this is his best season but I think you are doing him a bit of a disservice to be honest. He has good figures that stand up to a lot of top class strikers at that age.

Yes I am using goal figures as a basis of my argument but there are very few strikers who aren't judged on those very figures.

 

[.A.]

@'a'

He plays for England. Interesting that you see him as a refugee.

You seem to have an agenda against pretty much anything the Spanish blokes do & go from one thread to another, even one forum to another, looking to find holes in everything they do & everything they could possibly want to do, whilst twisting & ignoring pretty much everything that has actually been a success.

The idea fhat Negredo was a failure is one of the most bent, biased, agenda ridden pile of fucking bollocks posts in the history of the internet. We even made a fucking profit for fucks sake.

Winning the title appears to be a problem for you rather than something which worked.

You are not being straight about what you post, & have an agenda. And the more success we have, at every level, the more people like you seem to be appearing, some of which seem to have a axe to grind with stuff that has happened at City & a blind spot for what we have achieved.

I think you are a wrongun.

He fled civil war in Burundi after his father was killed when he was 10. That makes him a refugee; if I had a 'UKIP agenda' I wouldn't want the kid anywhere the club, would I?

We won last years title because of Kompany, Zabaleta, Toure, Silva, Nasri, Aguero, Dzeko; only Fernandinho contributed positively of Txiki's signings. Demichelis did his best to sabotage our title challenge with a succession of balls-ups. Navas was average, Jovetic was a non-event, and Negredo scored a few when we were dicking everyone by 5/6 goals every game.

Last season Danny Welbeck scored the same number of league goals (9) as Negredo, despite playing primarily wide left for a poor rags team. Welbeck played 400 fewer minutes than Negredo; that's roughly 4 and a half less games. Your beloved beast was outdone by a donkey.

Negredo has 5 league goals for a good Valencia side this season and they're looking for every loophole to avoid buying him for the pre-agreed price.

Kelechi has done absolutely nothing to be mentioned in the same breath as Berahino; you're comparing a proven Premier League goalscorer to a novice.

Berahino has scored 5 more this season than Negredo did last season, and that's without having Toure, Nasri, Silva and Aguero next to him. When you also factor in Alvaro was in his prime here while Berahino is just a kid, there is no comparison to be had.

Moving onto Dzeko; his goal tallies paper over the fact that he requires 5 chances to score and his all round play is woeful. You accuse Berahino of being nothing more than a finisher, yet Dzeko's pass completion this year and last averages out at around 75%, while Berahino's is roughly 84% in what isn't exactly a possession team. Aguero's is only about 85% in that period. Negredo's in his season with us? 76%.


I'm accused of being overly-pro British, but the issue is actually people like yourself refusing to acknowledge that England is producing some of the best young talent in Europe; I know it's fashionable to wheel out the misinformed 'overpriced/not good enough' yawn fest when we are linked to English players, but for a club that spent £34-40m on Mangala and is willing to spend £70m on Pogba, then £15-20m for Berahino would be fantastic business.

 

[Larry Stranger]

@'a'

He plays for England. Interesting that you see him as a refugee.

You seem to have an agenda against pretty much anything the Spanish blokes do & go from one thread to another, even one forum to another, looking to find holes in everything they do & everything they could possibly want to do, whilst twisting & ignoring pretty much everything that has actually been a success.

The idea fhat Negredo was a failure is one of the most bent, biased, agenda ridden pile of fucking bollocks posts in the history of the internet. We even made a fucking profit for fucks sake.

Winning the title appears to be a problem for you rather than something which worked.

You are not being straight about what you post, & have an agenda. And the more success we have, at every level, the more people like you seem to be appearing, some of which seem to have a axe to grind with stuff that has happened at City & a blind spot for what we have achieved.

I think you are a wrongun.

He fled civil war in Burundi after his father was killed when he was 10. That makes him a refugee; if I had a 'UKIP agenda' I wouldn't want the kid anywhere the club, would I?

We won last years title because of Kompany, Zabaleta, Toure, Silva, Nasri, Aguero, Dzeko; only Fernandinho contributed positively of Txiki's signings. Demichelis did his best to sabotage our title challenge with a succession of balls-ups. Navas was average, Jovetic was a non-event, and Negredo scored a few when we were dicking everyone by 5/6 goals every game.

Last season Danny Welbeck scored the same number of league goals (9) as Negredo, despite playing primarily wide left for a poor rags team. Welbeck played 400 fewer minutes than Negredo; that's roughly 4 and a half less games. Your beloved beast was outdone by a donkey.

Negredo has 5 league goals for a good Valencia side this season and they're looking for every loophole to avoid buying him for the pre-agreed price.

Kelechi has done absolutely nothing to be mentioned in the same breath as Berahino; you're comparing a proven Premier League goalscorer to a novice.

Berahino has scored 5 more this season than Negredo did last season, and that's without having Toure, Nasri, Silva and Aguero next to him. When you also factor in Alvaro was in his prime here while Berahino is just a kid, there is no comparison to be had.

Moving onto Dzeko; his goal tallies paper over the fact that he requires 5 chances to score and his all round play is woeful. You accuse Berahino of being nothing more than a finisher, yet Dzeko's pass completion this year and last averages out at around 75%, while Berahino's is roughly 84% in what isn't exactly a possession team. Aguero's is only about 85% in that period. Negredo's in his season with us? 76%.


I'm accused of being overly-pro British, but the issue is actually people like yourself refusing to acknowledge that England is producing some of the best young talent in Europe; I know it's fashionable to wheel out the misinformed 'overpriced/not good enough' yawn fest when we are linked to English players, but for a club that spent £34-40m on Mangala and is willing to spend £70m on Pogba, then £15-20m for Berahino would be fantastic business.

It's pretty sad how little you rate Negredo. You must have not been watching. It's not only about goals. He got us points. His header vs. Hull won the match as his goal vs. Liverpool at home. His assist to Milner vs. Fulham was amazing which helped us win the game. His dummy vs. West Ham. His assist to Aguero vs. United. It was because of him that we could coast to 5 or 6 goal wins against the likes of Spurs. It's much more than just stats. In a 2 striker system you need someone like Negredo to hold up the ball and play others in. He's not playing well at Valencia because of the fact they don't play 2 strikers. They are much better with someone like Alcacer who runs between the channels. Style of play dictates a lot.

 

[capiloton]

Berahino & Sterling is a good buy for homegrown purpose and can improve our team. they're both under 21 and league proven.

other homegrown that City should consider - Schneiderlin, John Ruddy, John Stones

 

[LittleEgg]

Moving onto Dzeko; his goal tallies paper over the fact that he requires 5 chances to score and his all round play is woeful. You accuse Berahino of being nothing more than a finisher, yet Dzeko's pass completion this year and last averages out at around 75%, while Berahino's is roughly 84% in what isn't exactly a possession team. Aguero's is only about 85% in that period. Negredo's in his season with us? 76%.


I'm accused of being overly-pro British, but the issue is actually people like yourself refusing to acknowledge that England is producing some of the best young talent in Europe; I know it's fashionable to wheel out the misinformed 'overpriced/not good enough' yawn fest when we are linked to English players, but for a club that spent £34-40m on Mangala and is willing to spend £70m on Pogba, then £15-20m for Berahino would be fantastic business.

Exactly right, great summary of dzeko. Also i agree berahino is a decent prospect(especially as a 3rd choice striker+homegrown), snap him up for 20m.

Chelsea's 3rd striker was a 37 year old drogba ffs...and it didn't stop them winning the league comfortably, plus city need homegrown.