Sajid Javid

[bluethrunthru]

I am not being schooled, do you know what a Visa and the word NO!! means?

Yes in both cases. Were you aware of the rules regs and laws pertaining to these people prior to this evenings class?

 

[aguero93:20]

It requires ALL migrants to be processed and fingerprinted. If they haven't got those (some try and destroy their papers) then they are simply illegal migrants and can absolutely be returned from where they've come from. If you get a boat over to France and get stopped in the channel with no papers, that doesn't mean you get to stay in France, they send you back to the UK. Likewise, both that and the Geneva Convention establish the principle of requesting asylum at the first safe country. You cannot just wander through until you find one you like.

So they should have sailed straight to the UK?

 

[Henkeman]

so if thats the case whats the fuss why do we have migrant centres with two and a half thousand people in them at any given time? Surely the simple obvious thing to do is "send the buggers back " ( copyright Peter Kay lol ) and have none of them in the UK.

It depends how they come here. Some will have been taken as part of the offer to handle some who arrived into Europe and were shared out. It doesn't mean they all came across the Channel by any stretch.

As to why, it's a political decision. The Home Office took the view there is no legal barrier whatever to returning them to France. Why they don't, ask the government.

 

[oldtimerdiscopants]

It requires ALL migrants to be processed and fingerprinted. If they haven't got those (some try and destroy their papers) then they are simply illegal migrants and can absolutely be returned from where they've come from. If you get a boat over to France and get stopped in the channel with no papers, that doesn't mean you get to stay in France, they send you back to the UK. Likewise, both that and the Geneva Convention establish the principle of requesting asylum at the first safe country. You cannot just wander through until you find one you like.

What you're saying is that I can't just hire a paddle boat at a French resort and rock up at Calais expecting room and board? That doesn't seem fair.

 

[Henkeman]

So they should have sailed straight to the UK?

Geography is a bugger. It's just how it is.

 

[oldtimerdiscopants]

Yes in both cases. Were you aware of the rules regs and laws pertaining to these people prior to this evenings class?

Your arguments hold no water, no pun intended.

 

[bluethrunthru]

This is an interesting article that fills in some of the blanks - probably from a "lefty" which invalidates his understanding of the law for some of the "let them all drown " brigade but interesting all the same

https://www.freemovement.org.uk/refugees-claim-asylum-upon-arrival-first-safe-country/

 

[oldtimerdiscopants]

So they should have sailed straight to the UK?

If they sailed straight from Iran by dinghy they deserve to be put up in a 5 star hotel and all the strippers they can handle.

 

[bluethrunthru]

It depends how they come here. Some will have been taken as part of the offer to handle some who arrived into Europe and were shared out. It doesn't mean they all came across the Channel by any stretch.

As to why, it's a political decision. The Home Office took the view there is no legal barrier whatever to returning them to France. Why they don't, ask the government.

I will do once they have sorted out which is their arse and which is their elbow. Channel crossings and the means thereof is a touchy subject for them at the moment though. Lol

 

[aguero93:20]

If they sailed straight from Iran by dinghy they deserve to be put up in a 5 star hotel and all the strippers they can handle.

I was thinking someone could give them a tow...