Sajid Javid

[mcfc1632]

They're coming from France. It isn't great, but I wouldn't go as far as calling it pretty fucking awful.

Just came across this thread - amazing to read all these silly and naïve posts essentially suggesting that we should just send a message out that anyone that wishes to enter the UK as a Economic Migrant can do so.

Yeah that will work - the UK is the destination of choice even given how hard it is. I can see France being grateful - they can just let all the people in Calais get 12 miles into the channel to be picked up by UK boats.

We could probably solve the problem for Italy and Greece as well and earn their thanks - all they would have to do is to fund economic migrants to transit to Calais and then off to the UK

Some people are genuinely clueless in their naivety of the real world.

The message has to be firm that there is no access to the UK unless through formal channels - anything else is (perhaps well-intended) stupidity

 

[ganganvince]

Just came across this thread - amazing to read all these silly and naïve posts essentially suggesting that we should just send a message out that anyone that wishes to enter the UK as a Economic Migrant can do so.

Yeah that will work - the UK is the destination of choice even given how hard it is. I can see France being grateful - they can just let all the people in Calais get 12 miles into the channel to be picked up by UK boats.

We could probably solve the problem for Italy and Greece as well and earn their thanks - all they would have to do is to fund economic migrants to transit to Calais and then off to the UK

Some people are genuinely clueless in their naivety of the real world.

The message has to be firm that there is no access to the UK unless through formal channels - anything else is (perhaps well-intended) stupidity

Plus one. AS I understand it international law on asylum is that you register in the first safe country you arrive in so to travel across an entire continent appears there is more than fear for ones life involved.

 

[bluethrunthru]

Plus one. AS I understand it international law on asylum is that you register in the first safe country you arrive in so to travel across an entire continent appears there is more than fear for ones life involved.

which is the simple answer. However if they came to France via other countries ( Through Germany and Italy ) and their source of origin cannot be proved I can't imagine the French will want "our" undocumented "illegals" any more than they would want any body elses.

This is the bit which staggers me - that people couldn't foresee and can't accept that as the the EU has its own political issues with immigration and some right wing parties advocate some pretty strong measures to deal with it. Once we leave the EU then any that come here are outside the EU and so offer a partial solution to the EU's migrant problem. I wouldn't expect huge co-operation from them on this subject particularly if we leave on no deal and with hold that £40m or whatever the sum is.

 

[Ban-jani]

Whilst everyone who enters a country illegally should obviously not be allowed to stay, the sheer hatred towards a few hundred desperate people, travelling to the UK as they think it’s their best chance to find work when they’re coming from real poverty, is disgusting.

I’ve seen comments on Twitter suggesting we should shoot them in their boats.

The right answer is adherence to international law, understanding why they have come and treating them like human beings and in a dignified manner, whilst going through the process of international law.

There are many interviews available online and through news channels, with these people and internet idiots keep asking why they’ve come, just listening to the migrants may help to understand this simple question.

 

[oldtimerdiscopants]

Whilst everyone who enters a country illegally should obviously not be allowed to stay

That's about it in a nutshell.

 

[Ban-jani]

That's about it in a nutshell.

This is it in a nutshell actually -

The right answer is adherence to international law, understanding why they have come and treating them like human beings and in a dignified manner, whilst going through the process of international law.

Do you agree?

 

[oldtimerdiscopants]

This is it in a nutshell actually -



Do you agree?

When people smugglers and NGO's decide to adhere to international law then I may start to think about it. If you come over in a dinghy or the back of a lorry then yes people should be treated humanely, before deporting them back to the country they have just left.

 

[Ban-jani]

When people smugglers and NGO's decide to adhere to international law then I may start to think about it. If you come over in a dinghy or the back of a lorry then yes people should be treated humanely, before deporting them back to the country they have just left.

I’m not talking about the people smugglers, I’m talking about the bloke who’s travelled from a war zone, has left his family behind somewhere and is trying to cross the sea in a dinghy to get to a country where he believes he’ll have the best chance to send money back so his family don’t starve.

I’m glad you think we should treat them humanely, there’s many that don’t believe we should.

 

[oldtimerdiscopants]

I’m not talking about the people smugglers, I’m talking about the bloke who’s travelled from a war zone, has left his family behind somewhere and is trying to cross the sea in a dinghy to get to a country where he believes he’ll have the best chance to send money back so his family don’t starve.

I’m glad you think we should treat them humanely, there’s many that don’t believe we should.

Most of these people in dinghys are Iranians and they've actually paid substantial amounts of money to get here, they are not the poor of their nation. You and I both know that there should be a significant difference between how we process a genuine asylum seeker and a an economic migrant, both should be treated fairly of course but in the end if deportation is the final process for someone who enters illegally then that should not be considered bad treatment.
To help those coming from bad countries we have to have a structure which involves paperwork or at least for them to admit where they come from, if we don't know who they are how do we know that they aren't the bad people killing other people in the country they are from.

 

[Ban-jani]

Most of these people in dinghys are Iranians and they've actually paid substantial amounts of money to get here, they are not the poor of their nation. You and I both know that there should be a significant difference between how we process a genuine asylum seeker and a an economic migrant, both should be treated fairly of course but in the end if deportation is the final process for someone who enters illegally then that should not be considered bad treatment.
To help those coming from bad countries we have to have a structure which involves paperwork or at least for them to admit where they come from, if we don't know who they are how do we know that they aren't the bad people killing other people in the country they are from.

I agree with most of that but their nationalities haven’t been confirmed, some are claiming to be Iranians but without paperwork it’s hard to tell who’s coming from where.

My point is having a little sympathy. Even if they are economic migrants they’re only doing it because they’re desperate. People calling for the authorities to let them drown or to shoot them are ****s.

The question of why they’re coming is easy, for a better life and to send money to their families. Because we’re lucky enough to live in Britain, doesn’t mean we wouldn’t do the same in their situation.