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Very weird you think that assist has anything to do with it as opposed to the eye test and judging players by what we’ve seen of them both.
Savinho | City reject Spurs approach
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Savinho was in the top percentile in terms of successful dribbling, chance creation and assists for a winger. Yes he didn’t score last season but that percentage shouldn’t happen again.
Don't want to derail the thread but could you, or any other Oscar Bobb fan, direct me to the these amazing performances he's put in? I'm not trying to be a dick, I'm wracking my brain for the reason City fans rate Bobb so highly. I can remember a good goal at Newcastle, some games where he did ok, he did ok against Wolves, but nothing special. I promise I'll go back and watch any examples of games he's excelled in because I'd be happy to be proven wrong on this.
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while i dont disagree with anything else you say the one bit I do disagree with is that his finishing being at 2% is a statistical anomoly - no - his finishing is absolute shit....easiest worst part of his game (he has many positives and I can see whay he club and others would want him to stay).
His finishing is as poor as it gets at present and if he is to reach his potential it is something he must improve in. Id also personally think he needs to toughen up a bit on the pitch and not hide and only show up when games are going in our favour...he isnt exactly a battler at present
He has a lot of the tools however to be an exceptional player but at present he is lacking a killer instinct and attitude.
Oh and just by using the naked eye, I do also believe Bobb has equally as much potential and has better application as well.. probably more adaptable to other positions and with a higher footballing IQ
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It shouldn’t? Oh that’s fine then.
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He was our best player in pre season last year before his injury, did you watch those matches?
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You could say the same about Savinho. I don't remember any truly outstanding matches but plenty of ok ones.
One of the problems is that you get fans of certain players (for whatever reasons) and they seem to be constantly negative of other players that play in the same position of their 'favourite' player. It happened with Grealish/Doku and now with Bobb/Savinho. We even had one muppet on the match day thread against Wolves posting something on the lines that Bobb hasn't shown he's better than Savinho and that was about 10 mins into the game!
The reality is that both Bobb and Savinho are both very good players and both have plenty of potential. I personally think Bobb will turn out to be the better player but that is purely my personal opinion and doesn't mean that I don't think Savinho is also quality.
I'm a big Bobb fan, think he is very special.
But you are conflating productiveness and goalscoring and judge Savinho's ability on just one season.
Sterling contributed 8 league goals/assists in his first season at City. Savinho 9. And that was Savinho's first season in England and the PL.
Fair comment, he did do well in pre-season, not sure that justifies the hype, but thanks for the reply.
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If someone said you have to pick either Bobb or Sav to reach the very top I’d be in the Bobb camp all day long. He’s got a real X factor about him.
Oh pre-season. That is definitely better than being the 2nd best in La Liga. Imagine an Liverpool saying that this current 16 yr old was the best player during pre- season so he is better than certain others. That’s a crazy argument to have.
The percentage to miss the shots that didn’t go in shouldn’t happen again that’s my point. He was in the low 0,5%. This doesn’t really happen. It was just a bunch of misfortune.
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Yeah don't get me wrong his finishing is the worst part of his game statistically by a mile. Doesn't help he averages less than 3 shots a game, if he was encouraged to be a more high volume shooter he'd likely improve it quickly.
2% is definitely a statistical anomaly though. He can be bad at shooting and still just reasonably expect a below average return of say 8-10%.
He actually shoots decently on target, with 51% accuracy, they just happened to not go in much more than you'd expect last year. Usually some bounce off defenders, keepers fluff it, go the wrong way... He had an xg of 4 which isn't incredible by any means but it shows he's been very unlucky to only do a quarter of that.
The season before he scored 9 goals off apparently only 20 shots on target. So he was essentially lethal then.
These stats below are ridiculous for a 20 (until april) year old in a new league
If it wasnt for the hideously low non-penalty goals he's a 100m player.
I actually agree about the attitude. He does seem to get disheartened, which seemed to affect his confidence shooting especially. But he's and new guy in a new culture and new language who's just turned 21 so i think we can work on it and expect it to mature.
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He's just saying what Viana wants him to.
Its pretty clear we're open to selling him as long Spurs meet the asking price. There's no blocking, we're just not interest in Spurs trying to negotiate the fee down.
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Never been blown away with Savinho and I would not be overly concerned if left. However, it may be best he gets another year so management are more confident about identifying his worth and potential.
I think a few of our fellow Blues who were angry with the club seemingly wanting to let him go may be suffering with Cole Palmer PTSD.
I think a few of our fellow Blues who were angry with the club seemingly wanting to let him go may be suffering with Cole Palmer PTSD.
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Anyway you know exactly why, we fans feel more connections with players that have come through the ranks.
I’d have rather Palmer stayed than us signing Savinho as well. I’d rather we had Lavia rather than Garcia (although he’s made of glass). It’s why I’d rather Ederson leave and Trafford be number one rather than Donnaruma take that number 1 position - although that’s a good headache to have.
Savinho has all the talent in the world but freezes in front of goal and either hits the weakest shot imaginable or puts it straight into the defenders legs. Maybe that will change this season, maybe it won’t. But I’d rather Bobb than him - I don’t rate Rodrygo though.
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It was shite finishing from a rabbit in the headlights.
Grealish's record in terms of league goals is 8 (Villa 19/20).
Savinho's record is 9 league goals, aged 21.
Sterling's record at Savinho's age was 9 goals (Liverpool, 13/14).
Sterling got 19+ league goals/assists in 17/18, aged 22. Savinho did it aged 19 for a much worse team.
Savinho's record is 9 league goals, aged 21.
Sterling's record at Savinho's age was 9 goals (Liverpool, 13/14).
Sterling got 19+ league goals/assists in 17/18, aged 22. Savinho did it aged 19 for a much worse team.
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I don't get why this is so hard to illustrate. Players don't just only score at an average of 1 in 50 shots for their entire career. Especially if 25 of those 50 shots are on target.
These are all the percentage stats, to avoid appearances skweing it.
Can anyone see a weird outlier (some may say "statistical anomaly") here?!
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I’d also suggest re-watching the game in Belgrade. Hamilton walked away with many plaudits, but Bobb really shone that night. He’s also still at the club, which should tell us all how highly regarded he is by those in charge.