Scholes, ITV disgrace

[BlueRockape]

It really is unbelievable isn't it?

Beggars belief, any number of ex city players and managers who could have done the job, the Goat, Joe Royle, Rosler, Dickov , etc etc

Where`s Gary Owen nowadays,still doing the radio ?

Spoke to Gary last week, if you think ginger and Wio are bad, Gary would only last 5 mins commentating on a derby.
He hates the rags with a passion( except he doesn't call them rags)

 

[Citizen in Pakistan]

As much as I hate scholes he has made quiet a valid point here,all teams we've visited in champions league haven't only had big crowds but intimadting ones aswell,dortmund,Naples,Munich,bernabeu,camp nous and no one can deny the reality how bigger part it plays
We've had threads on bm about the atmosphere in games for a reason,may be there is something wrong ,and it evident that crowds didn't helped against Roma
Argument is often given that these are multi millionaire footballers they shouldnt need motivation which is completely absurd ,which means its us who think of players as mercernaries who should just do the job because they get paid good money
You could have people on the best wages but its not the idea of pay check that would lift the player up in the heat of battle because he will get that anyways However it would be the support the noise the belief which would get the adrenaline running and make em go all in
Scientific research proves that aggressive possitive atmosphere makes a person take more risk and Strive harder

I think the atmosphere at a lot of these other grounds you mention is overrated. Bayern have a pack of cheerleaders behind one goal led by a dick with a microphone. The rest of the ground sat in total silence as they often do in Germany.

You might be right but a packed Munich on a cl night is already intimidating enough ,we should be looking at it as a problem I still believe
May be club should get in touch with fans groups to take there insight of the situation,and review the cl packages and brings in better season ticket offers with cl and cup matches included,would be win win for everyone
And one poster made the point of fan groups meet up which would be a great idea aswell

 

[John Wayne]

As much as I hate scholes he has made quiet a valid point here,all teams we've visited in champions league haven't only had big crowds but intimadting ones aswell,dortmund,Naples,Munich, bernabeu,camp nous and no one can deny the reality how bigger part it plays
We've had threads on bm about the atmosphere in games for a reason,may be there is something wrong ,and it evident that crowds didn't helped against Roma
Argument is often given that these are multi millionaire footballers they shouldnt need motivation which is completely absurd ,which means its us who think of players as mercernaries who should just do the job because they get paid good money
You could have people on the best wages but its not the idea of pay check that would lift the player up in the heat of battle because he will get that anyways However it would be the support the noise the belief which would get the adrenaline running and make em go all in
Scientific research proves that aggressive possitive atmosphere makes a person take more risk and Strive harder

I think the atmosphere at a lot of these other grounds you mention is overrated. Bayern have a pack of cheerleaders behind one goal led by a dick with a microphone. The rest of the ground sat in total silence as they often do in Germany.

You might be right but a packed Munich on a cl night is already intimidating enough ,we should be looking at it as a problem I still believe
May be club should get in touch with fans groups to take there insight of the situation,and review the cl packages and brings in better season ticket offers with cl and cup matches included,would be win win for everyone
And one poster made the point of fan groups meet up which would be a great idea aswell

Consultation with the fans would be a good move. And not just some crap survey that ends up in your email junk. The club's priority must be to fill the ground. I didn't think £35 was outrageous the other night but it is a lot for people with tight budgets. The club need to ignore what goes on at the London clubs, Liverpool and United because they aren't representative of the nation as a whole. Newcastle had gate problems when they were in it 10+ years ago and perhaps represent a set of fans that are closer to City in terms of size, wealth, etc.

 

[Deleted member 58678]

He is trying to justify his critiscm of the City fans.

Sorry cant copy the article.

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/news-and-comment/paul-scholes-column-fans-need-to-intimidate-opponents--manchester-city-supporters-arent-doing-that-9771192.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/foot ... 71192.html</a>

The first thing that struck me when I got to the Etihad Stadium on Tuesday night was whether the home support had even realised what an important game it was for their team against Roma.

It is a point I have made before in this column about Manchester City, and which I felt was relevant again when I was sitting in the ITV studio that evening. City’s team is capable of anything. They have the quality of players to win the Champions League, although they did not play well against Roma. One of the problems they have is a lack of atmosphere on European nights, when the crowd should play a big part.

The Champions League is a competition in which you have to win your home games. It is true that some of those lower-profile group matches I played in at Manchester United were in front of a more subdued Old Trafford, but that was never the case when the team needed to win. It is the same at Anfield, and it was like that at Elland Road too when Leeds United were in the competition 14 years ago. The supporters came through for them.

On Tuesday it got closer and closer to kick-off and I waited for the stadium to come alive. It never happened. There were empty seats, some 8,000 below capacity – and I accept that watching football is an expensive business. But I found it hard to understand why even those who were there did not seem to grasp the reality that City had to beat Roma.

The relationship between a team and a home crowd is crucial. The performance lifts the crowd, but in turn the players need that encouragement from the support to get them going. I was no different as a player. Appealing to the crowd for more noise, or exuberant goal celebrations were not my thing. But just because I did not show that emotion did not mean I was not responding to the atmosphere.

We went to San Siro in 2007 for a semi-final second leg against Milan, losing 3-0 on the night and 5-3 on aggregate. I will always remember Rino Gattuso at the start of the game running out and exhorting the home crowd to make more noise. He burst out on to the pitch like one of those NFL players who run through a paper banner when they come out of the tunnel. The atmosphere went up a few notches and he responded by having a great game, particularly in the way he handled Cristiano Ronaldo.

The atmosphere at places like Bayern Munich, Barcelona and Real Madrid was always the same. When United arrived they tried to make it as intimidating as possible and one of the features of the game we would discuss beforehand was trying to keep the ball in the early stages to quieten the home crowd.

At home, your support have to make it intimidating. On Tuesday night it was as if the home fans weren’t really bothered. I have wondered in the past if the City fans are still admiring the famous names who are now playing at their ground, rather than trying to make it a difficult place to visit.

I think City have big problems in Group E. Roma are a good team, as good as Bayern Munich this season. The old Uefa seeding system has given City a hard group but I can remember the 1998-99 season when United had Barcelona and Bayern Munich in our group. You just have to find a way to progress.

Like a lot of European teams, Roma operate best by controlling the midfield and that is what they did on Tuesday. By using two strikers, City played into their hands. It is obvious that in Europe, Yaya Touré cannot play in the two in front of the defence. Roberto Mancini played him further up the pitch. Sergio Aguero plays better with someone alongside him but that can create a four v two situation in the middle of midfield.

At times it was impossible for Touré and Fernandinho when Francesco Totti dropped back into midfield to add to the numbers. It was like City had never watched Roma before. Opposing teams should know what they do. When United teams played against Totti, albeit a few years ago now, we knew that Roma tried to get the ball to their captain early and play off him. We knew if you dealt with Totti then you went a long way to stopping Roma from playing.

Sometimes in Europe you have to sacrifice a part of your team. Perhaps, for instance, you have to play with just one up to increase the numbers in midfield. When Frank Lampard came on he made a difference. He was clever enough to add to the numbers in City’s midfield but he also got forward.

James Milner had an impact too when he came on. When I was still playing it seemed that when City came to Old Trafford, Milner would play. Mancini knew what he would get from him. Sometimes I think Milner suffers because he does not have a big European reputation and that means he gets left out. But he can defend and get forward. City need to find a way of winning their home games in Europe. It is a fundamental part of being successful in the Champions League.

He's absolutely spot on! Yes he's a Rag and he's probably typed all that up with half a grin on his face as he's highlighting a deficiency at our club, but the fucker is bang on! I don't see how any City fan can have a problem with what he's said because it's not like he's writing a pack of lies about us.

We've gone from having the best support in the country around 12-13 years ago, to having a really poor one.

 

[Citizen in Pakistan]

I think the atmosphere at a lot of these other grounds you mention is overrated. Bayern have a pack of cheerleaders behind one goal led by a dick with a microphone. The rest of the ground sat in total silence as they often do in Germany.

You might be right but a packed Munich on a cl night is already intimidating enough ,we should be looking at it as a problem I still believe
May be club should get in touch with fans groups to take there insight of the situation,and review the cl packages and brings in better season ticket offers with cl and cup matches included,would be win win for everyone
And one poster made the point of fan groups meet up which would be a great idea aswell

Consultation with the fans would be a good move. And not just some crap survey that ends up in your email junk. The club's priority must be to fill the ground. I didn't think £35 was outrageous the other night but it is a lot for people with tight budgets. The club need to ignore what goes on at the London clubs, Liverpool and United because they aren't representative of the nation as a whole. Newcastle had gate problems when they were in it 10+ years ago and perhaps represent a set of fans that are closer to City in terms of size, wealth, etc.

Speaking from the marketing perspective its a human psyche that if you offer them a bundle package rather than asking them to spend separately there more likely to go for the former not just because its a bundle but it make them feel its cheaper even if the overall difference ain't that much,so that's why I think a bundle deal with reasonable price would be a win win for everyone which would not only address the cl attendence but cup games aswell and with us growing our capacity it should be the way forward

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

He is trying to justify his critiscm of the City fans.

Sorry cant copy the article.

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/news-and-comment/paul-scholes-column-fans-need-to-intimidate-opponents--manchester-city-supporters-arent-doing-that-9771192.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/foot ... 71192.html</a>

The first thing that struck me when I got to the Etihad Stadium on Tuesday night was whether the home support had even realised what an important game it was for their team against Roma.

It is a point I have made before in this column about Manchester City, and which I felt was relevant again when I was sitting in the ITV studio that evening. City’s team is capable of anything. They have the quality of players to win the Champions League, although they did not play well against Roma. One of the problems they have is a lack of atmosphere on European nights, when the crowd should play a big part.

The Champions League is a competition in which you have to win your home games. It is true that some of those lower-profile group matches I played in at Manchester United were in front of a more subdued Old Trafford, but that was never the case when the team needed to win. It is the same at Anfield, and it was like that at Elland Road too when Leeds United were in the competition 14 years ago. The supporters came through for them.

On Tuesday it got closer and closer to kick-off and I waited for the stadium to come alive. It never happened. There were empty seats, some 8,000 below capacity – and I accept that watching football is an expensive business. But I found it hard to understand why even those who were there did not seem to grasp the reality that City had to beat Roma.

The relationship between a team and a home crowd is crucial. The performance lifts the crowd, but in turn the players need that encouragement from the support to get them going. I was no different as a player. Appealing to the crowd for more noise, or exuberant goal celebrations were not my thing. But just because I did not show that emotion did not mean I was not responding to the atmosphere.

We went to San Siro in 2007 for a semi-final second leg against Milan, losing 3-0 on the night and 5-3 on aggregate. I will always remember Rino Gattuso at the start of the game running out and exhorting the home crowd to make more noise. He burst out on to the pitch like one of those NFL players who run through a paper banner when they come out of the tunnel. The atmosphere went up a few notches and he responded by having a great game, particularly in the way he handled Cristiano Ronaldo.

The atmosphere at places like Bayern Munich, Barcelona and Real Madrid was always the same. When United arrived they tried to make it as intimidating as possible and one of the features of the game we would discuss beforehand was trying to keep the ball in the early stages to quieten the home crowd.

At home, your support have to make it intimidating. On Tuesday night it was as if the home fans weren’t really bothered. I have wondered in the past if the City fans are still admiring the famous names who are now playing at their ground, rather than trying to make it a difficult place to visit.

I think City have big problems in Group E. Roma are a good team, as good as Bayern Munich this season. The old Uefa seeding system has given City a hard group but I can remember the 1998-99 season when United had Barcelona and Bayern Munich in our group. You just have to find a way to progress.

Like a lot of European teams, Roma operate best by controlling the midfield and that is what they did on Tuesday. By using two strikers, City played into their hands. It is obvious that in Europe, Yaya Touré cannot play in the two in front of the defence. Roberto Mancini played him further up the pitch. Sergio Aguero plays better with someone alongside him but that can create a four v two situation in the middle of midfield.

At times it was impossible for Touré and Fernandinho when Francesco Totti dropped back into midfield to add to the numbers. It was like City had never watched Roma before. Opposing teams should know what they do. When United teams played against Totti, albeit a few years ago now, we knew that Roma tried to get the ball to their captain early and play off him. We knew if you dealt with Totti then you went a long way to stopping Roma from playing.

Sometimes in Europe you have to sacrifice a part of your team. Perhaps, for instance, you have to play with just one up to increase the numbers in midfield. When Frank Lampard came on he made a difference. He was clever enough to add to the numbers in City’s midfield but he also got forward.

James Milner had an impact too when he came on. When I was still playing it seemed that when City came to Old Trafford, Milner would play. Mancini knew what he would get from him. Sometimes I think Milner suffers because he does not have a big European reputation and that means he gets left out. But he can defend and get forward. City need to find a way of winning their home games in Europe. It is a fundamental part of being successful in the Champions League.

He's absolutely spot on! Yes he's a Rag and he's probably typed all that up with half a grin on his face as he's highlighting a deficiency at our club, but the fucker is bang on! I don't see how any City fan can have a problem with what he's said because it's not like he's writing a pack of lies about us.

We've gone from having the best support in the country around 12-13 years ago, to having a really poor one.

You actually believe he sat down and 'typed' those words himself, even metaphorically?

I expect a helpful journalist (or member of united's PR dept) helpfully translated a series of monosyllabic grunts like "crowd", "atmosphere" and doubtless "proper" and committed them to paper on his behalf.

 

[Citizen in Pakistan]

The first thing that struck me when I got to the Etihad Stadium on Tuesday night was whether the home support had even realised what an important game it was for their team against Roma.

It is a point I have made before in this column about Manchester City, and which I felt was relevant again when I was sitting in the ITV studio that evening. City’s team is capable of anything. They have the quality of players to win the Champions League, although they did not play well against Roma. One of the problems they have is a lack of atmosphere on European nights, when the crowd should play a big part.

The Champions League is a competition in which you have to win your home games. It is true that some of those lower-profile group matches I played in at Manchester United were in front of a more subdued Old Trafford, but that was never the case when the team needed to win. It is the same at Anfield, and it was like that at Elland Road too when Leeds United were in the competition 14 years ago. The supporters came through for them.

On Tuesday it got closer and closer to kick-off and I waited for the stadium to come alive. It never happened. There were empty seats, some 8,000 below capacity – and I accept that watching football is an expensive business. But I found it hard to understand why even those who were there did not seem to grasp the reality that City had to beat Roma.

The relationship between a team and a home crowd is crucial. The performance lifts the crowd, but in turn the players need that encouragement from the support to get them going. I was no different as a player. Appealing to the crowd for more noise, or exuberant goal celebrations were not my thing. But just because I did not show that emotion did not mean I was not responding to the atmosphere.

We went to San Siro in 2007 for a semi-final second leg against Milan, losing 3-0 on the night and 5-3 on aggregate. I will always remember Rino Gattuso at the start of the game running out and exhorting the home crowd to make more noise. He burst out on to the pitch like one of those NFL players who run through a paper banner when they come out of the tunnel. The atmosphere went up a few notches and he responded by having a great game, particularly in the way he handled Cristiano Ronaldo.

The atmosphere at places like Bayern Munich, Barcelona and Real Madrid was always the same. When United arrived they tried to make it as intimidating as possible and one of the features of the game we would discuss beforehand was trying to keep the ball in the early stages to quieten the home crowd.

At home, your support have to make it intimidating. On Tuesday night it was as if the home fans weren’t really bothered. I have wondered in the past if the City fans are still admiring the famous names who are now playing at their ground, rather than trying to make it a difficult place to visit.

I think City have big problems in Group E. Roma are a good team, as good as Bayern Munich this season. The old Uefa seeding system has given City a hard group but I can remember the 1998-99 season when United had Barcelona and Bayern Munich in our group. You just have to find a way to progress.

Like a lot of European teams, Roma operate best by controlling the midfield and that is what they did on Tuesday. By using two strikers, City played into their hands. It is obvious that in Europe, Yaya Touré cannot play in the two in front of the defence. Roberto Mancini played him further up the pitch. Sergio Aguero plays better with someone alongside him but that can create a four v two situation in the middle of midfield.

At times it was impossible for Touré and Fernandinho when Francesco Totti dropped back into midfield to add to the numbers. It was like City had never watched Roma before. Opposing teams should know what they do. When United teams played against Totti, albeit a few years ago now, we knew that Roma tried to get the ball to their captain early and play off him. We knew if you dealt with Totti then you went a long way to stopping Roma from playing.

Sometimes in Europe you have to sacrifice a part of your team. Perhaps, for instance, you have to play with just one up to increase the numbers in midfield. When Frank Lampard came on he made a difference. He was clever enough to add to the numbers in City’s midfield but he also got forward.

James Milner had an impact too when he came on. When I was still playing it seemed that when City came to Old Trafford, Milner would play. Mancini knew what he would get from him. Sometimes I think Milner suffers because he does not have a big European reputation and that means he gets left out. But he can defend and get forward. City need to find a way of winning their home games in Europe. It is a fundamental part of being successful in the Champions League.

He's absolutely spot on! Yes he's a Rag and he's probably typed all that up with half a grin on his face as he's highlighting a deficiency at our club, but the fucker is bang on! I don't see how any City fan can have a problem with what he's said because it's not like he's writing a pack of lies about us.

We've gone from having the best support in the country around 12-13 years ago, to having a really poor one.

You actually believe he sat down and 'typed' those words himself, even metaphorically?

The point is not wheather he typed it or someone else did it for him the fact is he's right

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

He's absolutely spot on! Yes he's a Rag and he's probably typed all that up with half a grin on his face as he's highlighting a deficiency at our club, but the fucker is bang on! I don't see how any City fan can have a problem with what he's said because it's not like he's writing a pack of lies about us.

We've gone from having the best support in the country around 12-13 years ago, to having a really poor one.

You actually believe he sat down and 'typed' those words himself, even metaphorically?

The point is not wheather he typed it or someone else did it for him the fact is he's right

How can that not be the point if they aren't his fucking words?

 

[malg]

We all know the problems and they won't change any time soon. We give the away fans half the area behind a goal. At the other end we have the family stand, and let's all be honest here by saying that it is hardly ever full, and it empties early.

So, and it's been said before, both ends behind the goals should go to home fans, and adults only, and anyone buying a ticket in those ends should be made aware that they will be 'singing/atmosphere' areas of the ground. I know it sounds shit, but as a club, and a set of fans, that's where we are. The away fans can go wherever we can fit them, and the family stand can go to one of the sides of the stadium.

However, I won't be holding my breath for any changes.

 

[remember arthur mann]

Rag infested posts today !