johnnytapia said:johnmc said:Ok Johnny big bollocks, tell us what school you work at? Presume you are a head as well seeing as you refer to the staff as your own.
Head? No, I'm senior lunchtime organiser. Otherwise known as top dinner lady/man. My main task is to ensure all dinner ladies make children suffer immeasurable mental pain by asking them to......wait for this, for it is a killer......eat. their. dinner.
Got to go. Setting up the canteen in the morning. Knives, forks and spoons. Is that okay? Or should we ask the kids if they'd prefer to eat with chopsticks. Mind you, that could mean they'd only eat a fraction of their dinner and then my staff would have to ask them to eat the rest and ...and...and..oh goodness...what shall we do?
nimrod said:Markt85 said:Maybe the dinner lady was just having a bad day and lost it a little ... We've all had our mad moments - she might have seen a African appeal that morning showing kids starving to death and then comes into work and see's kids chucking away perfectly good food. You have no idea that she ''forced'' her to eat her sandwich, she may have taking it out and explained to your girl that it's a perfectly nice sandwich and you really should eat your lunch as it's a important part of day.
Hypothetical mitigating Mark, however you try to dress it up its bullying, bullying a defenceless little kid
johnnytapia said:nimrod said:Markt85 said:Maybe the dinner lady was just having a bad day and lost it a little ... We've all had our mad moments - she might have seen a African appeal that morning showing kids starving to death and then comes into work and see's kids chucking away perfectly good food. You have no idea that she ''forced'' her to eat her sandwich, she may have taking it out and explained to your girl that it's a perfectly nice sandwich and you really should eat your lunch as it's a important part of day.
Hypothetical mitigating Mark, however you try to dress it up its bullying, bullying a defenceless little kid
Bullying? Jesus Nimrod, you need to come down from the clouds.
I teach in one of the toughest inner-city schools in the country and have done for many, many years.
johnnytapia said:Bullying? Jesus Nimrod, you need to come down from the clouds.
I teach in one of the toughest inner-city schools in the country and have done for many, many years. I've dealt with gun-toting parents, crack addicted grandparents; kids coming to school in soiled clothes day in day out; kids from shattered homes and I absolutely give my life and soul to improve their lives. I know what true hardship is - and it ain't being asked by a dinner lady to eat a butty she's fished from the bin. Perspective: If you've never witnessed true, grindingly depressive poverty at a school, where the pupils have nothing - and I mean fuck all. no bikes, no presents at Christmas, no watches, no long hair 'cos that means paying for a haircut then it's little wonder I'll call bullshit on such nonsense as outlined by the OP. Angry? Aye, but never with the kids I teach - they get someone who loves 'em to bits.
Stony - I'm big enough to take your criticism, you clearly think I'm agenda-driven. Maybe, I'll call out shite syntax as and when I see it. But remember, I'm one of the few trying to educate folk, to show them the right way to punctuate a sentence. Is that such a bad thing?
Anyway, let's agree to disagree. I possibly got carried away with immediate response to the OP. Just felt it was so symptomatic with so many schools - let's focus on the real issues. It ain't butties. T ra
johnnytapia said:stony said:johnnytapia said:None - the child brings in a dinner. Child doesn't eat it. Dinner lady does what she should have done - made child eat the dinner. Why? Because, if a child goes into the afternoon hungry their learning is hampered; they go home and the parents get all antsy about why their nearest and dearest didn't eat the dinner made for them by the parent. Dinner ladies are paid fucking buttons; they're expected to ensure all children eat their dinners, packed lunch or not. This wouldn't have been an issue years ago - kids had no choice. But no, we can't have that. We need the chaos that ensues when kids choose what they want to eat, if they want to eat. And parents point the finger at everyone except themselves.
The OP is a Governor - I'd have him fucked off my Gov.Body for being such a fucking tool - trying to get a dinner lady sacked because his poor fucking Tarquin was made to eat his/her dinner. Schools have more important things to be cracking on with. Trust me, they'll be laughing themselves daft at the school.
I agree with a lot of your points, but the way you put them across does you no credit. I certainly wouldn't want you teaching my kids. Thank fuck they are both adults and no longer have interaction with angry little men like you.
Before you start ranting about how I don't understand what teachers have to put up with, my son in law is a teacher, and a bloody good one. I have friends who are teachers, some of them on this forum and one of them is a headmaster.
As for the incident the op describes, its just not on. Yes they have a duty to ensure the kids eat their dinner, and if the food was still wrapped in foil then it wouldn't do the kid any harm to eat it.
That doesn't change the fact that the dinner lady was completely out of order. She obviously wasn't paying enough attention or she would have stopped the kid from putting it in the bin in the first place. It sounds to me like she was trying to cover up for her own incompetence.
There may be no physical effects from eating the discarded butty, but being forced to pull it out of a bin and resume eating something you obviously don't want will certainly leave some mental scars.
I don't mind you sticking up for your profession. But a lot of your posts involve sneering at other posters poor spelling or grammar and gives the impression that you feel you are somehow superior to them.
It doesn't make you look superior, it makes you look like a c**t.
"its just not on" is the apostrophe button missing on your computer?
Okay. all nit-picking aside, I don't claim any superiority at all - would you allow someone to say 8 x 7 = 55? No, it's wrong, and although close to being correct, it does no harm to let folk know punctuation matters. As for your teaching friends, relatives, chapeau, I'm pleased, they'll allow you further insight into some of the day to day nonsense we endure. I happened to think the OP is behaving like a prize melon. Let him take his complaint to the Governors. It'll make very good reading for this board. It'll make even better reading for the staffrooms of your kith and kin. This term is a long one. The battle against this dinner lady will keep staff in good heart. I await updates. Especially when City have lost, for a good laugh is the best cure for sadness.
bobmcfc said:johnnytapia said:stony said:I agree with a lot of your points, but the way you put them across does you no credit. I certainly wouldn't want you teaching my kids. Thank fuck they are both adults and no longer have interaction with angry little men like you.
Before you start ranting about how I don't understand what teachers have to put up with, my son in law is a teacher, and a bloody good one. I have friends who are teachers, some of them on this forum and one of them is a headmaster.
As for the incident the op describes, its just not on. Yes they have a duty to ensure the kids eat their dinner, and if the food was still wrapped in foil then it wouldn't do the kid any harm to eat it.
That doesn't change the fact that the dinner lady was completely out of order. She obviously wasn't paying enough attention or she would have stopped the kid from putting it in the bin in the first place. It sounds to me like she was trying to cover up for her own incompetence.
There may be no physical effects from eating the discarded butty, but being forced to pull it out of a bin and resume eating something you obviously don't want will certainly leave some mental scars.
I don't mind you sticking up for your profession. But a lot of your posts involve sneering at other posters poor spelling or grammar and gives the impression that you feel you are somehow superior to them.
It doesn't make you look superior, it makes you look like a c**t.
"its just not on" is the apostrophe button missing on your computer?
Okay. all nit-picking aside, I don't claim any superiority at all - would you allow someone to say 8 x 7 = 55? No, it's wrong, and although close to being correct, it does no harm to let folk know punctuation matters. As for your teaching friends, relatives, chapeau, I'm pleased, they'll allow you further insight into some of the day to day nonsense we endure. I happened to think the OP is behaving like a prize melon. Let him take his complaint to the Governors. It'll make very good reading for this board. It'll make even better reading for the staffrooms of your kith and kin. This term is a long one. The battle against this dinner lady will keep staff in good heart. I await updates. Especially when City have lost, for a good laugh is the best cure for sadness.
I wouldn't have you teaching my kids either and I'd be able to spot your type from 100 yard in the playground. Surprised you've lasted this long with your attitude.
And you need to make up your mind on whether they are spoiled, entitled Tarquins or poor little deprived urchins from the mean streets of a tough inner city school because you've described both ! Although I suspect you are simply backtracking to cover the abhorrent bullshit you've been spouting.
So if they were poor starving deprived kids with no "watches" you wouldn't need to force feed them because they'd be errrm.....starving ?
And if you were dealing with mean crack addict parents then you'd basically know not to try and piss any of them off for fear of being shanked in the playground
So are they spoiled Tarquins or poor deprived Dickensian starving orphans with no food or haircuts ?
(Plays gangsters paradise)
oakiecokie said:bobmcfc said:johnnytapia said:"its just not on" is the apostrophe button missing on your computer?
Okay. all nit-picking aside, I don't claim any superiority at all - would you allow someone to say 8 x 7 = 55? No, it's wrong, and although close to being correct, it does no harm to let folk know punctuation matters. As for your teaching friends, relatives, chapeau, I'm pleased, they'll allow you further insight into some of the day to day nonsense we endure. I happened to think the OP is behaving like a prize melon. Let him take his complaint to the Governors. It'll make very good reading for this board. It'll make even better reading for the staffrooms of your kith and kin. This term is a long one. The battle against this dinner lady will keep staff in good heart. I await updates. Especially when City have lost, for a good laugh is the best cure for sadness.
I wouldn't have you teaching my kids either and I'd be able to spot your type from 100 yard in the playground. Surprised you've lasted this long with your attitude.
And you need to make up your mind on whether they are spoiled, entitled Tarquins or poor little deprived urchins from the mean streets of a tough inner city school because you've described both ! Although I suspect you are simply backtracking to cover the abhorrent bullshit you've been spouting.
So if they were poor starving deprived kids with no "watches" you wouldn't need to force feed them because they'd be errrm.....starving ?
And if you were dealing with mean crack addict parents then you'd basically know not to try and piss any of them off for fear of being shanked in the playground
So are they spoiled Tarquins or poor deprived Dickensian starving orphans with no food or haircuts ?
(Plays gangsters paradise)
He would make a wonderful Dickensian teacher.Can you imagine a kiddie asking this clown "Please Sir can I have more ?"
"MORE !!!!!!" he booms.
I smell bullshit,I truly do.
bobmcfc said:oakiecokie said:bobmcfc said:I wouldn't have you teaching my kids either and I'd be able to spot your type from 100 yard in the playground. Surprised you've lasted this long with your attitude.
And you need to make up your mind on whether they are spoiled, entitled Tarquins or poor little deprived urchins from the mean streets of a tough inner city school because you've described both ! Although I suspect you are simply backtracking to cover the abhorrent bullshit you've been spouting.
So if they were poor starving deprived kids with no "watches" you wouldn't need to force feed them because they'd be errrm.....starving ?
And if you were dealing with mean crack addict parents then you'd basically know not to try and piss any of them off for fear of being shanked in the playground
So are they spoiled Tarquins or poor deprived Dickensian starving orphans with no food or haircuts ?
(Plays gangsters paradise)
He would make a wonderful Dickensian teacher.Can you imagine a kiddie asking this clown "Please Sir can I have more ?"
"MORE !!!!!!" he booms.
I smell bullshit,I truly do.
I admire teachers greatly but it doesn't take much to spot someone who clearly isn't suited to the job when they state it's ok to force feed children and take food out of the bin (it kinda makes you wonder what else would be ok) ! I'm sure the education board would find that very interesting. And he and his fellow teachers can laugh at parents as much as they like but sooner or later their methods will be called into question and then they will see that a half hearted apology simply wouldn't be enough.
I remember when I was about 6 years old at primary school our regular teacher got sick and had to take time off so we got a substitute teacher who was much younger. The first day or two were ok but then she clearly started losing it and would scream and shout in the kids faces and get overly angry. I didn't get shouted at because I was well behaved but I witnessed it and she terrified me so much that I didn't want to go to school. It all came to a head one morning when she screamed at a young boy in my class and grabbed hold of him by the ear and yanked him across the class. He had been being abit silly but It scared me so much I slipped out of the class, left school and ran home. My mother was fuming at me because I'd come home but I broke down and told her what had happened and that I couldn't go back. My mother frogmarched me back to school and to the head-teachers office and told her what had happened. The head assured me that the teacher would not be coming back to the school, and the next day she was gone...sacked ! And yes that whole incident did affect me even though I wasn't the target of her wrath
metalblue said:bobmcfc said:oakiecokie said:He would make a wonderful Dickensian teacher.Can you imagine a kiddie asking this clown "Please Sir can I have more ?"
"MORE !!!!!!" he booms.
I smell bullshit,I truly do.
I admire teachers greatly but it doesn't take much to spot someone who clearly isn't suited to the job when they state it's ok to force feed children and take food out of the bin (it kinda makes you wonder what else would be ok) ! I'm sure the education board would find that very interesting. And he and his fellow teachers can laugh at parents as much as they like but sooner or later their methods will be called into question and then they will see that a half hearted apology simply wouldn't be enough.
I remember when I was about 6 years old at primary school our regular teacher got sick and had to take time off so we got a substitute teacher who was much younger. The first day or two were ok but then she clearly started losing it and would scream and shout in the kids faces and get overly angry. I didn't get shouted at because I was well behaved but I witnessed it and she terrified me so much that I didn't want to go to school. It all came to a head one morning when she screamed at a young boy in my class and grabbed hold of him by the ear and yanked him across the class. He had been being abit silly but It scared me so much I slipped out of the class, left school and ran home. My mother was fuming at me because I'd come home but I broke down and told her what had happened and that I couldn't go back. My mother frogmarched me back to school and to the head-teachers office and told her what had happened. The head assured me that the teacher would not be coming back to the school, and the next day she was gone...sacked ! And yes that whole incident did affect me even though I wasn't the target of her wrath
It's possible he teaches in a scouse school where extracting food from a bin is a life lesson.