Scotland at the Euros

Much better tonight. Good aggressive performance against a more than decent Swiss side. Rode our luck at times but had chances at others.

Injury to Tierney a huge blow, we're weak as fuck defensively as it is.

Need to beat Hungary on Sunday night, still not entirely sure where the goals come from for us but we've gave ourselves a fighting chance and I'm pleasantly surprised tbh.

Billy Gilmour must play, imo.
 
Mc Tom&Jerry trying to claim the most own goal of own goals is madness. If Scotland ditch that big Celtc diddy Ralston they have a chance on Sunday
 
eyalluvitt said:
Mc Tom&Jerry trying to claim the most own goal of own goals is madness. If Scotland ditch that big Celtc diddy Ralston they have a chance on Sunday
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The only reason Ralston is playing is because of injuries. He is well out of hys depth snd I too hope he doesn’t play. If you weren’t a Celtic hater, your focus would be, Clarke needs to stop picking Ralston. Ralston doesn’t pick the team, so put the blame where it belongs.
 
Good to get the draw, but we are still by far, the least technically gifted team I have seen so far in the competition. I thought we were poor, fought well blah blah. I thought McGinn and McGreggor were shit again. The Swiss were so much better on the ball and shouid have beat us. I watched Hungary v Germany and they looked far superior to us. We can’t defend and we are woeful up front. I would start Shankland. Unless all our midfield turn up the Hungarians will beat us. They certainly have nothing to fear. However, we find a bit of form and we can do them. So far, we haven’t got near to our form in the qualifiers. We need to.
 
Magicpole said:
Good to get the draw, but we are still by far, the least technically gifted team I have seen so far in the competition. I thought we were poor, fought well blah blah. I thought McGinn and McGreggor were shit again. The Swiss were so much better on the ball and shouid have beat us. I watched Hungary v Germany and they looked far superior to us. We can’t defend and we are woeful up front. I would start Shankland. Unless all our midfield turn up the Hungarians will beat us. They certainly have nothing to fear. However, we find a bit of form and we can do them. So far, we haven’t got near to our form in the qualifiers. We need to.
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I only caught the highlights and you still have a chance, one more game of blood and thunder and who knows?
 
Top national anthem very patriotic, the team though play in a style that is 20 years out of date and lack technique and composure on the ball. Don't see them getting past Hungary.
 
Something i've been thinking about and have been discussing it with a few others and we can't put a date on it but when did when decline in Scottish International football really start and when did it reach it's zenith, initially i'd say late 80s early 90s but Scotland did beat England in 1989 and were at Italia 1990 so maybe it was a decade later. I do recall Berti Vogts era being pretty grim so could it have been around the milennium?.
 
Scottyboi said:
Top national anthem very patriotic, the team though play in a style that is 20 years out of date and lack technique and composure on the ball. Don't see them getting past Hungary.
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Sadly this is engrained at grassroots level. The younger youth Scotland teams go to international tournaments and often wipe the floor with opposition like Spain, Portugal, France, Netherlands purely because they are bigger and stronger than them, and it's a win at all costs attitude. When it comes to older teenage age groups though, the same footballers at Spain, Portugal etc have learned properly how to play football and have far better technique, skill and ability.

Too much focus at young age groups here in winning, less about actually developing good skillful players.

Players dropped from pro teams because they're too small, too lightweight, don't fit in with the physicalities of the football up here. Is it any wonder, with that attitude, that we don't develop players who are able to give something more than just pure effort and commitment?

This goes right down to kids at 5 and 6 years old btw, as soon as they get a touch on the ball a bigger lad from the opposition clatters them to the praise and adulation from their coaches and parents. What are we learning? It's so backwards.
 
No doubt we will qualify for the first time ever in an final event despite having this shite represent us.
The defence is poor and McGinn and McGregor are so off form it makes you wonder if Clarke has the bottle to drop at least one and play Christie.
 
eyalluvitt said:
Mc Tom&Jerry trying to claim the most own goal of own goals is madness. If Scotland ditch that big Celtc diddy Ralston they have a chance on Sunday
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Under the rules, if it’s heading toward goal and a player deflects it in, it’s your goal. Unless you’re claiming the defender wanted onto the scoresheet?
 
bennyboy said:
No doubt we will qualify for the first time ever in an final event despite having this shite represent us.
The defence is poor and McGinn and McGregor are so off form it makes you wonder if Clarke has the bottle to drop at least one and play Christie.
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Both have been MIA. That's polite for fucking woeful.
 
philiph20 said:
Something i've been thinking about and have been discussing it with a few others and we can't put a date on it but when did when decline in Scottish International football really start and when did it reach it's zenith, initially i'd say late 80s early 90s but Scotland did beat England in 1989 and were at Italia 1990 so maybe it was a decade later. I do recall Berti Vogts era being pretty grim so could it have been around the milennium?.
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They were well past their ‘glory days’ by 1990. Their best players at that time were probably people like McCallister, McStay, Gillespie and McInally. Not bad players. And a step up from what they’ve got now. But hardly going to set the world on fire.

If you go back eight years to 1982, they had Hansen, Dalglish, Jordan, Souness, Robertson, Hartford, Wark and Archibald. Players not just at some of the top teams. But among the best players at them.

By 1986 most of them had gone. They still had some decent players but definitely a downgrade on ‘90.

And it’s gradually got worse ever since really.

So, I reckon the answer to your question is probably early- mid 80s.
 
Stephen230 said:
They were well past their ‘glory days’ by 1990. Their best players at that time were probably people like McCallister, McStay, Gillespie and McInally. Not bad players. And a step up from what they’ve got now. But hardly going to set the world on fire.

If you go back eight years to 1982, they had Hansen, Dalglish, Jordan, Souness, Robertson, Hartford, Wark and Archibald. Players not just at some of the top teams. But among the best players at them.

By 1986 most of them had gone. They still had some decent players but definitely a downgrade on ‘90.

And it’s gradually got worse ever since really.

So, I reckon the answer to your question is probably early- mid 80s.
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Never had real glory days.
Never qualified for one final tournament.
Dalglish and Souness never really performed in the finals along with a host of others.
 
bennyboy said:
Never had real glory days.
Never qualified for one final tournament.
Dalglish and Souness never really performed in the finals along with a host of others.
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Which is why I wrote “glory days” in quotation marks. Just talking about when they had their best bunch of players, rather than anything they did or didn’t achieve.
 
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Stephen230 said:
They were well past their ‘glory days’ by 1990. Their best players at that time were probably people like McCallister, McStay, Gillespie and McInally. Not bad players. And a step up from what they’ve got now. But hardly going to set the world on fire.

If you go back eight years to 1982, they had Hansen, Dalglish, Jordan, Souness, Robertson, Hartford, Wark and Archibald. Players not just at some of the top teams. But among the best players at them.

By 1986 most of them had gone. They still had some decent players but definitely a downgrade on ‘90.

And it’s gradually got worse ever since really.

So, I reckon the answer to your question is probably early- mid 80s.
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hanks for that, but as Benny said, we have never had glory days. We had fucking millions of glorious hard luck stories, humiliation, there have been great moments, many, but glory?

Chance wouid be a fine thing. You’re right about the standard of our players, fallen off a cliff. There are professional players in our league who can’t trap a ball within six feet. We have not a single player who can dribble really well. We have good players in the middle, but so far, they would be as well as sitting beside me shouting and bawling. In our Academy, the richest club, we have absolutely fuck all. Kieran Tierney came through the system and got a game and played every game after. That was eight years ago. The next one who came through and immediately held a place was Charlie Nicholas. Better young players come from the smaller clubs, Rangers Academy has been pony for decades too. We have honest, no bad, some good, some worse players whose technique leaves me wincing.

Still winning this UEFA fucker though, goes without saying,
 
Stephen230 said:
They were well past their ‘glory days’ by 1990. Their best players at that time were probably people like McCallister, McStay, Gillespie and McInally. Not bad players. And a step up from what they’ve got now. But hardly going to set the world on fire.

If you go back eight years to 1982, they had Hansen, Dalglish, Jordan, Souness, Robertson, Hartford, Wark and Archibald. Players not just at some of the top teams. But among the best players at them.

By 1986 most of them had gone. They still had some decent players but definitely a downgrade on ‘90.

And it’s gradually got worse ever since really.

So, I reckon the answer to your question is probably early- mid 80s.
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Andy Roxburgh was supposed to be this visionary coach i seem to recall prior to him taking over from Jock Stein, he was there for years i think and didn't they go for a similar figure in Craig Brown?, it's all a bit sketchy but their decline as an international team is only rivalled by Ireland. As a kid they were more or less the same level as England and Ireland pre-Jack had some top drawer players as well now i can barely name any of the players.
 
philiph20 said:
Andy Roxburgh was supposed to be this visionary coach i seem to recall prior to him taking over from Jock Stein, he was there for years i think and didn't they go for a similar figure in Craig Brown?, it's all a bit sketchy but their decline as an international team is only rivalled by Ireland. As a kid they were more or less the same level as England and Ireland pre-Jack had some top drawer players as well now i can barely name any of the players.
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The squad Jack Charlton had at Italia '90 was ridiculous; the likes of O'Leary, McGrath, Quinn, Whelan, Aldridge (yes, he's a **** these days, but he was a decent striker), Bonner, Irwin, Big Mick, Staunton, Morgan, Hughton etc etc. Got to the quarter finals in that tournament. Now? God knows when they'll qualify for another tournament.
 
jimharri said:
The squad Jack Charlton had at Italia '90 was ridiculous; the likes of O'Leary, McGrath, Quinn, Whelan, Aldridge (yes, he's a **** these days, but he was a decent striker), Bonner, Irwin, Big Mick, Staunton, Morgan, Hughton etc etc. Got to the quarter finals in that tournament. Now? God knows when they'll qualify for another tournament.
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They had some decent players prior to him, was the manager Eoin Hand?, i think only Ferguson from the present set-up would get a sniff of a chance with the Irish sides mentioned.
 
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