Scotlands new Hate speech/crime bill.

[Ban-jani]

I'd say read up on the koch brothers.

I’ve just looked them up, they’re rich and have Libertarian/Conservative views and donate money to such causes.

Is there anything else or is that it?

 

[BobKowalski]

I also have issues with Spiked. Quite by chance, over the weekend, I ended up reading what they wrote about the concerns Nick Cave had recently expressed about cancel culture.

Their headline portrays him as being engaged in a ‘one man crusade’ against it.

I receive alerts whenever Cave’s Red Hand Files site is updated, and it is simply false to claim that he is on any kind of crusade.

All he has been doing is responding to the random questions of fans, and the content of an overwhelming majority of those responses are completely apolitical.

There is therefore no sense in which Cave is spearheading any kind of solitary campaign, and his comments are far more temperate and measured than Spiked have made them seem with their selective quotations.

It’s just one example but it doesn’t say a lot for their journalistic standards and instead suggests that they have an agenda to push, one that involves appropriating and distorting relatively uncontroversial opinions in order to promote it.

Spiked is part of the evolution of the Revolutionary Communist Party from far left to far right and a position of influence on the Johnson Govt. An article by Oliver Kamm on the RCP.

The extraordinary journey of the Revolutionary Communist Party is a lesson in politics

There is a voluminous literature of ideological converts travelling from left to right (and of a few people going in the other direction). Some of it is outstanding. Witness by Whittaker Chambers, a former Soviet spy, is a memoir of honesty and even beauty, whether or not you share the...

capx.co

 

[Mon Autre]

Spiked is part of the evolution of the Revolutionary Communist Party from far left to far right and a position of influence on the Johnson Govt. An article by Oliver Kamm on the RCP.

The extraordinary journey of the Revolutionary Communist Party is a lesson in politics

There is a voluminous literature of ideological converts travelling from left to right (and of a few people going in the other direction). Some of it is outstanding. Witness by Whittaker Chambers, a former Soviet spy, is a memoir of honesty and even beauty, whether or not you share the...

capx.co

Brendan O'Neill thinks freedom of speech is fine apart from if somebody wants to use it to talk about the abuse they suffered at the hands of a paedophile 30 years earlier. The guy is an absolute melter.

 

[Fame Monster]

I'd say read up on the koch brothers.

I have. One of them is dead.

What relevance does it have to the Scottish bill?

 

[stonerblue]

I’ve just looked them up, they’re rich and have Libertarian/Conservative views and donate money to such causes.

Is there anything else or is that it?

How the Koch brothers built the most powerful rightwing group you've never heard of

Americans for Prosperity is a little-known, billionaire-funded organization that has pushed US politics to the right. How did it happen?

www.theguardian.com

 

[stonerblue]

I have. One of them is dead.

What relevance does it have to the Scottish bill?

About as much as sutcliffe amd mao

 

[Ban-jani]

How the Koch brothers built the most powerful rightwing group you've never heard of

Americans for Prosperity is a little-known, billionaire-funded organization that has pushed US politics to the right. How did it happen?

www.theguardian.com

Im pretty busy at work so will read it all later but the first half of the article doesn’t suggest there’s anything wrong with what they are doing.

Billionaires back both sides and try and push the left and the right out in front.

The difference is I don’t see either side as being wrong, I just see a difference of opinion.

 

[ZenHalfTimeCrock]

That Oliver Kamm article is fascinating but not altogether unsurprising. There seems to be a certain type of (usually deeply unpleasant person) who tend to operate on the margins of politics and who may be unable to function without aligning themselves with some kind of radical agenda. I suspect that it is not the ideology that matters so much as the psychological purpose that it serves. By this I mean that being unduly and inordinately preoccupied with the political can be convenient because it then means that you don’t have to deal with your own personal issues and often profound character defects.

The author Brad Warner conveys this point rather well in one of his books:

‘When you decide that helping feed homeless transgender crack addicts to the baby whales - or whatever - is more worthy than helping your mom clean the dead squirrel out of one of the gutters, that’s when you get in trouble. It’s not that the ‘worthy’ causes aren’t worth pursuing - of course they are. It’s that all too often our image of ‘worthy’ causes completely obscures the stuff right under our noses - and that’s the stuff that needs our attention, right here and now.’

Sounds like this O’Neil character might be an example of this type of ****.

 

[ZenHalfTimeCrock]

Browsing recent Spiked articles, I came across another one that’s dodgy.

It’s now woke to like Louis Farrakhan

Why are so many celebrities praising a notorious anti-Semite?

www.spiked-online.com

I have chosen it because it’s to do with a topic I actually know a bit about.

It’s a not especially well-informed piece of writing and hardly revelatory. Farrakhan’s anti-semitism has been extensively documented in books going way back when (e.g. Rachel Storm’s In Search of Heaven on Earth published in 1991) and celebrities have been aligning themselves with the NOI for a long time, stretching back to when Muhammad Ali declared his membership of the movement (and name change) in the wake of his victory over Sonny Liston when Elijah Muhammad headed the movement.

If the author of the piece had actually done his homework on more recent examples of black supremacy, he might have stumbled across the spin-off fringe religion Five Percent Nation (who have attracted considerable celebrity endorsement from well-known artists within the world of rap and hip-hop) and the very weird UFO cult the United Nuwaubian Nation of Moors a.k.a Nuwaubian Nation led by the unlikely named Dwight York (not to be confused with a certain ex-Man Ure/Villa player).

Here’s Brand Nubian - an openly Five Percent Nation band - ‘schooling’ a class on aspects of Five Percenter belief.



Allah’ here refers to the two arms, legs and head of a black person. It’s an assertion of black divinity.
I doubt that you can get any more ‘black supremacist’ than that.
Anyway, in the very unlikely event that someone actually wants to know more about anti-Semitic New Religious Movements, or ones that think the UFO’s will one day arrive to save us from ourselves, or those that think that black people are gods, the publications of Christopher Partridge and Michael Muhammad Knight would be the place to start.

I guess it really depends on whether you have the time or motivation but if I want to know more about something these days, I tend to go for peer-reviewed, well-received academic writing rather than online op-Ed articles or YouTube videos, that kind of thing.

 

[MillionMilesAway]

I have chosen it because it’s to do with a topic I actually know a bit about.

Kindly leave the forum! We don't want any of your sort round 'ere, spreading sanity!!