Season Card Reservations/Relocations Direct Debit update 11/6

[Tim of the Oak]

Re: Season Card Reservation,New ST etc 2015/16 Season.

You guys are right about City Square. I meant City Circles. What's a shape between friends!!

 

[Pablo ZZZ Peroni]

Re: Season Card Reservation,New ST etc 2015/16 Season.

I still can't believe they priced tiered the blocks.

How can you expect City fans to pay £100 more because they are one row in front of other City fans?

I accept price rises are normal per block/stand, but tiered price rises per block is madness.

Imagine paying £100 more or £100 less than the person in front of you or behind you. :-?

Exactly, whoever made this decision is an idiot.

Disagree totally. I think the plan the club has come up with this is both fair and well thought out.

Let's look at some facts for Level 3 CB & East. There are 9 blocks on both sides so 18 in total. Each now split into 3 pricing segments so 54 pricing segments in total. 32 of those segments will be paying the same or less than last season. That's bloody good in my book.

As for those paying more for the seats this year it is (mainly) only those in the front rows of the 18 blocks. Quite right because those seats in my opinion are superb. Row A for example is preferable to 30 rows or so higher in the gods at the back of Level 3.

Oh, I'm in a front section and have to pay more.

 

[Pablo ZZZ Peroni]

Re: Season Card Reservation,New ST etc 2015/16 Season.

I played around with a spreadsheet and came up with some broad price tiers, estimating the number of blocks in each actual price tier (it's more or less accurate).

In the £299 to £620 tiers that amounts to 55% of total capacity, £16 to £33 a seat. (£299 - 5%, £380 - 4% BTW).

In the £700 to £900 tiers it's 37% of capacity, £37 to £47 a seat.

In the rich kids seats £1150 to £1750 it's just 7% of capacity (yes, I know I lost 1% somewhere but I did say it was rough), £60 to £92 a seat (gulp).

Now I don't think having around 30,000 seats out of 55,000 that cheap (and it is cheap nowadays) to watch City in their present guise is a bad thing at all.
If you think that makes me a "happy clapper" and you violently disagree (as some seem to on here right now) then perhaps you need to look in the mirror and consider what that makes you.

Decent analysis that CL - great work.

It would be good to get a clear view on the impact of the £5 billion in TV revenues - maybe show what the Club would not be able to book as revenue for next season's FFP purposes if say for example they had frozen all ticket prices?

Actually I realised (after the fact) that I made a cock up on the 30,000 seats out of 55,000 capacity bit. I forgot to add back in the away fans and the corporate blocks so it will be a bit less than 30,000. I'm at work now, so I'll update it tomorrow. The rest of it still stands.

I did something similar earlier.

For the new stand I first did it on the number of seats for home supporters. Block 314 is split home/away and I've assumed 50/50.

£299 - c2200 seats
£380 - c1200 seats
£600 - c1000 seats

I also calculate there are about 890 £380 seats pitch side and another 400 or so more at £475.

As for the "rich kids" seats I've got a lower figure. I make it about 1750 paying over a £1000.

 

[Lucky13]

Re: Season Card Reservation,New ST etc 2015/16 Season.

I'll be renewing ,but can't decide on keeping my current seat in 118 or going for the cheaper option in the new Stand , I work Saturdays and have to use my holidays to go to games .

I've decided to sack the Cup schemes off completely , our contempt of the COC helped that decision.

 

[Millwallawayveteran1988]

Re: Season Card Reservation,New ST etc 2015/16 Season.

city square is very popular

Yep. Don't get the City Square hate at all. It's one of the best 'fan' things the club has done.

I've brought quite a few to City square over the last 3 years, and to a person they've loved the concept of it, and its pretty well unique to City.

The concept of city square is one of the best things the club has done fan wise since the takeover.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

Re: Season Card Reservation,New ST etc 2015/16 Season.

Yep. Don't get the City Square hate at all. It's one of the best 'fan' things the club has done.

I've brought quite a few to City square over the last 3 years, and to a person they've loved the concept of it, and its pretty well unique to City.

The concept of city square is one of the best things the club has done fan wise since the takeover.

I meant City Circles lol!

Yes City Squate is good if the weather is fine.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

Re: Season Card Reservation,New ST etc 2015/16 Season.

Decent analysis that CL - great work.

It would be good to get a clear view on the impact of the £5 billion in TV revenues - maybe show what the Club would not be able to book as revenue for next season's FFP purposes if say for example they had frozen all ticket prices?

Actually I realised (after the fact) that I made a cock up on the 30,000 seats out of 55,000 capacity bit. I forgot to add back in the away fans and the corporate blocks so it will be a bit less than 30,000. I'm at work now, so I'll update it tomorrow. The rest of it still stands.

I did something similar earlier.

For the new stand I first did it on the number of seats for home supporters. Block 314 is split home/away and I've assumed 50/50.

£299 - c2200 seats
£380 - c1200 seats
£600 - c1000 seats

I also calculate there are about 890 £380 seats pitch side and another 400 or so more at £475.

As for the "rich kids" seats I've got a lower figure. I make it about 1750 paying over a £1000.

Good work

That said, it is more difficult to cost the affect of falling behind a 1,000 extra corporates in the queue for cup final and big away game tickets.

I paid £400 to see us in a game four years ago having missed out on Wembley by ten loyalty points. Since then I have been to the vast majority of games (home and away) to get sufficient points where I though I would always benefit from the Club's allocations. I'm not so confident now.

 

[pride in battle]

Re: Season Card Reservation,New ST etc 2015/16 Season.

So am I right in thinking the really steep price hikes in the Colin Bell stand are the blocks that will now house Joe's Bar and 93.20?

 

[Centurions]

Re: Season Card Reservation,New ST etc 2015/16 Season.

Decent analysis that CL - great work.

It would be good to get a clear view on the impact of the £5 billion in TV revenues - maybe show what the Club would not be able to book as revenue for next season's FFP purposes if say for example they had frozen all ticket prices?

Actually I realised (after the fact) that I made a cock up on the 30,000 seats out of 55,000 capacity bit. I forgot to add back in the away fans and the corporate blocks so it will be a bit less than 30,000. I'm at work now, so I'll update it tomorrow. The rest of it still stands.

I did something similar earlier.

For the new stand I first did it on the number of seats for home supporters. Block 314 is split home/away and I've assumed 50/50.

£299 - c2200 seats
£380 - c1200 seats
£600 - c1000 seats

I also calculate there are about 890 £380 seats pitch side and another 400 or so more at £475.

As for the "rich kids" seats I've got a lower figure. I make it about 1750 paying over a £1000.

It's probable that your figure for the "rich kids" seats is more accurate, I was using the seating plan and estimating the number of blocks in each coloured segment. I had to fudge some of the figures due to the blocks being different sizes of course. Sorry, there's no way I'm adding up individual seats, I'm not that obsessed... ;)

BTW, using my rough guide I reckon there's around 28,000 seats out of the 55,000 in the £299-£620 range on offer.

How many season tickets do we sell? Dose anyone have a clue?

 

[Petrovs left peg]

Re: Season Card Reservation,New ST etc 2015/16 Season.

So am I right in thinking the really steep price hikes in the Colin Bell stand are the blocks that will now house Joe's Bar and 93.20?

Yep - the club have spent millions on a new stand and put a couple of corporate area in that take up some of the existing seats. Unfortunately, instead of praising the clubs investment to continue taking us forward on this magnificent recent journey, most on here are criticising the club off because they believe they have a divine right to the best seats in the house for free - probably because they went to York - or a belief that the financial strategy at the club should be based on their own personal circumstances and not the competitive environment it operates in.

 

[Bill]

Re: Season Card Reservation,New ST etc 2015/16 Season.

The people who are in the L2 new Premium Seats do have some advantages:

Parking alone is £10 per match and if it is a printed programme as opposed to the online one that is another £3 per match.

Just trying to put things into perspective a little more. Not criticising anyone. (I wouldn't mind the padded seat mind you, at my age any padding is handy!!!!) :-) I'm lucky because I don't have a massive increase in price at all.





















Will the use of the word massive get me labelled a red I wonder??

i'm with you on this.
i am in 211 and am gutted that we can't use those facilites. one bloody block away.

 

[Marvin]

Re: Season Card Reservation,New ST etc 2015/16 Season.

Actually I realised (after the fact) that I made a cock up on the 30,000 seats out of 55,000 capacity bit. I forgot to add back in the away fans and the corporate blocks so it will be a bit less than 30,000. I'm at work now, so I'll update it tomorrow. The rest of it still stands.

I did something similar earlier.

For the new stand I first did it on the number of seats for home supporters. Block 314 is split home/away and I've assumed 50/50.

£299 - c2200 seats
£380 - c1200 seats
£600 - c1000 seats

I also calculate there are about 890 £380 seats pitch side and another 400 or so more at £475.

As for the "rich kids" seats I've got a lower figure. I make it about 1750 paying over a £1000.

It's probable that your figure for the "rich kids" seats is more accurate, I was using the seating plan and estimating the number of blocks in each coloured segment. I had to fudge some of the figures due to the blocks being different sizes of course. Sorry, there's no way I'm adding up individual seats, I'm not that obsessed... ;)

BTW, using my rough guide I reckon there's around 28,000 seats out of the 55,000 in the £299-£620 range on offer.

How many season tickets do we sell? Dose anyone have a clue?

In an annual report for2012/13 the full allocation was 36,500. In 2013/14 it was 36,400. I think it may have gone up since then, but it will be around that

 

[bernabias home shirt]

Re: Season Card Reservation,New ST etc 2015/16 Season.

I still can't believe they priced tiered the blocks.

How can you expect City fans to pay £100 more because they are one row in front of other City fans?

I accept price rises are normal per block/stand, but tiered price rises per block is madness.

Imagine paying £100 more or £100 less than the person in front of you or behind you. :-?

Its over double that mate in some areas, who the hell sits down and works these prices out?

 

[East Level 2]

Re: Season Card Reservation,New ST etc 2015/16 Season.

Only read the first 8 pages but I'm well pissed off with this.
If the figures are correct then my ticket in 206 has gone from £885 (Platinum) to £1600 as it's a "Premium Seat".
The problem is that a hell of a lot of people all over the ground are facing big increases and the number of new seats won't hold all of those that want to be relocated.
As for the "Premium Seats" I hope you'll forgive me when I join with the visiting fans singing about empty seats as most of these will be empty unless we're playing the rags, Chels or Dippers.
Let's just hope they don't get first dibs on away tickets as well.

At least the cunts selling half 'n' half scarves will be happy as we appear to be aiming at the tourist market.

 

[Marvin]

Re: Season Card Reservation,New ST etc 2015/16 Season.

The tickets at Wembley for Cup Finals work exactly the same way. The front rows is the tiers are much more expensive and the view from those first couple of rows is fantastic

Some people are high earners. If you can afford it, you'll buy the best

As long as the seating price distribution reflects the incomes of City's supporter base what is the problem? Unless you just want to try and invent one

I don't mind what the prices of City's most expensive seats are. I'm interested in what I and the vast bulk of City's fans have to pay and that's perfectly reasonable.

I know some fans have been priced out of their own seats but there are very good alternatives and the stadium is being reconstructed into one of the best sporting venues in football.

The issue about ticket prices is not seasoncard prices but match day prices and tickets for away fans. That is a disgrace. I think clubs have decided that they don't want the hassle of away fans at grounds, but it's very short sighted as the biggest complaint amongst long standing fans is the decline in atmosphere at grounds.

 

[bowp]

Re: Season Card Reservation,New ST etc 2015/16 Season.

Mine is up to 1225 don't think ill be bothering. My dads (over 65) has basically doubled as they have reduced the OAP discount in our section.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

Re: Season Card Reservation,New ST etc 2015/16 Season.

Only read the first 8 pages but I'm well pissed off with this.
If the figures are correct then my ticket in 206 has gone from £885 (Platinum) to £1600 as it's a "Premium Seat".
The problem is that a hell of a lot of people all over the ground are facing big increases and the number of new seats won't hold all of those that want to be relocated.
As for the "Premium Seats" I hope you'll forgive me when I join with the visiting fans singing about empty seats as most of these will be empty unless we're playing the rags, Chels or Dippers.
Let's just hope they don't get first dibs on away tickets as well.

At least the c**ts selling half 'n' half scarves will be happy as we appear to be aiming at the tourist market.

Don't mean to stir it up but I think you are looking at £1,750 plus Platinum (£1,800) to stay where you are.

I am moving reluctantly so will you be the last of the 206 singers?

 

[Tim of the Oak]

Re: Season Card Reservation,New ST etc 2015/16 Season.

The people who are in the L2 new Premium Seats do have some advantages:

Parking alone is £10 per match and if it is a printed programme as opposed to the online one that is another £3 per match.

Just trying to put things into perspective a little more. Not criticising anyone. (I wouldn't mind the padded seat mind you, at my age any padding is handy!!!!) :-) I'm lucky because I don't have a massive increase in price at

i'm with you on this.
i am in 211 and am gutted that we can't use those facilites. one bloody block away.

Seems to be plenty moving out of 209 - so that might be a runner for you / your group?

 

[Tim of the Oak]

Re: Season Card Reservation,New ST etc 2015/16 Season.

The tickets at Wembley for Cup Finals work exactly the same way. The front rows is the tiers are much more expensive and the view from those first couple of rows is fantastic

Some people are high earners. If you can afford it, you'll buy the best

As long as the seating price distribution reflects the incomes of City's supporter base what is the problem? Unless you just want to try and invent one

I don't mind what the prices of City's most expensive seats are. I'm interested in what I and the vast bulk of City's fans have to pay and that's perfectly reasonable.

I know some fans have been priced out of their own seats but there are very good alternatives and the stadium is being reconstructed into one of the best sporting venues in football.

The issue about ticket prices is not seasoncard prices but match day prices and tickets for away fans. That is a disgrace. I think clubs have decided that they don't want the hassle of away fans at grounds, but it's very short sighted as the biggest complaint amongst long standing fans is the decline in atmosphere at grounds.

Yes Marvin match day prices are an issue. Falling behind in the pecking order for cup finals and big away games is a bigger issue for some Blues. I'm afraid the Chelski river cruise was a game changer in ticket priority - partly because of availability but it also let us all know more about how some prestige tickets are sold.

 

[dobobobo]

Re: Season Card Reservation,New ST etc 2015/16 Season.

Sickening, even though I left my seasoncard in 2010-11 after 8 years. It was £450. It's now £620. Yes I know we had the best value seasoncards BUT this is too far now.

This article highlights how much people are being pushed to the financial limit;
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/money-saving-tips/11031461/League-table-of-Premier-League-season-ticket-costs.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/pers ... costs.html</a>

And for individual match-goers, Man City fans fork out the most at around £44 for a home game (£41 for Chelsea home fans).

How much will a match day ticket be now???

I've not bought a membership as I'd go to 3-4 matches a season now I'm a dad. I don't care what match I'd watch, but I'm not paying £25+ for a membership on top of the £45-60 odd ticket price, never mind take a 4yo and pay his membership too.

Our dearest seasoncard last season was £860... it's now £1,750. ONE SEVEN FIVE ZERO. Disgusting. The dearest seasoncard outside London. Even the rags, kings of being bastards to their fans, are left in our wake.

And of course PITCH SIDE.... dearer than the £299??? You won't even be able to see the ball on the ground.

Those £1750 tickets aren't normal season tickets. They're hospitality packages - granted, they're lower end hospitality but they're hospitality nonetheless so to group them with standard season tickets is completely and utterly wrong. My boss has 4 similar tickets paid for by work for United - the price is a bit cheaper but they don't include free parking or a free drink and the seats aren't in a prime location either - they're in one of the quadrants - unlike these ones at City.

And he's paying to watch the Rags.