Shamima Begum

[lazerblue]

I wouldn’t begin to understand the mental anguish a child experiences after being trafficked and raped repeatedly.
But I genuinely believe that we, as a society, should recognise that being trafficked and abused whilst a child, is likely to have a severe psychological trauma on the victim and lead them to speak and act in ways that us lucky people who haven’t been subjected to such horrendous abuse may initially struggle to comprehend.
She is an easy target for angry, middle aged, knuckle draggers who jump on the chance to lay into an abused child. That is what she was, and it is undeniable that the abuse she was subjected to must have left a mark on her.

We have failed her and we must make up for that.
Bring the girl home, offer her succour, give her a robust defence and after she has served her sentence (assuming she is in actual fact guilty of any crime) look after her.
Given the national hysteria about this poor girl, that may well look like a change of identity, and a lifetime of financial and emotional support.
It’s the least we owe her.

 

[manclad]

Here we go with the labels....the auto go-to for the fruitcakes in society.

This utter dirty arsehole of a human described acts of terror as justified, as but one example of how she's no "poor vulnerable child". She can rot wherever she finds herself, that isn't the UK, for all i care.

That racist attack on white men specifically proves your laughable worldview...which doesn't hold up to scrutiny. Also, If the country is a "disgusting shit-hole" you always have the option to clear off. I suspect nothing of value would be lost.

Great post.

 

[oldius]

It has all been said.
For me, it is a great sadness that the 'crimes' of a child are beyond the forgiveness of some.

 

[Rascal]

It has all been said.
For me, it is a great sadness that the 'crimes' of a child are beyond the forgiveness of some.

None know her mind, but plenty rush to judge. Was she under duress when she made comments many find abhorrent? Was she a victim of Stockholm syndrome.

I do not like that a Government can strip a person of citizenship. A Governments first responsibility is to the safety of all its citizens and that should be unconditional, if a precedent is set then what is stopping further removal of citizenship from any person the Government deems undesirable. As we saw set out in an earlier post Begum's removal of citizenship was deemed political. For anybody who proclaims a love of freedom they must see the dangers of political removal of citizenship. Where does it stop once a precedent has been set.

 

[oldius]

None know her mind, but plenty rush to judge. Was she under duress when she made comments many find abhorrent? Was she a victim of Stockholm syndrome.

I do not like that a Government can strip a person of citizenship. A Governments first responsibility is to the safety of all its citizens and that should be unconditional, if a precedent is set then what is stopping further removal of citizenship from any person the Government deems undesirable. As we saw set out in an earlier post Begum's removal of citizenship was deemed political. For anybody who proclaims a love of freedom they must see the dangers of political removal of citizenship. Where does it stop once a precedent has been set.

I have no doubt that this was a political decision. I have no doubt that the record number of asylum applications still waiting to be heard is a political decision. In my view, there are votes to be won, and some people will court those votes, despite the deep damage that doing so will have on our society. They will stop at nothing to turn some people into enemies, so that those who support those people will also become enemies, and the culture wars that will be the next election can begin. Genuinely, I despair.

 

[mackenzie]

None know her mind, but plenty rush to judge. Was she under duress when she made comments many find abhorrent? Was she a victim of Stockholm syndrome.

I do not like that a Government can strip a person of citizenship. A Governments first responsibility is to the safety of all its citizens and that should be unconditional, if a precedent is set then what is stopping further removal of citizenship from any person the Government deems undesirable. As we saw set out in an earlier post Begum's removal of citizenship was deemed political. For anybody who proclaims a love of freedom they must see the dangers of political removal of citizenship. Where does it stop once a precedent has been set.

Or maybe she wasn't any of those things you cite.

I like freedom too. Freedom to go to a gig without fear of being blown to bits.

 

[BobKowalski]

I pay tax Bob.
You have hurt my feelings!

Soz.

I was a tad harsh :)

 

[BobKowalski]

I wouldn’t begin to understand the mental anguish a child experiences after being trafficked and raped repeatedly.
But I genuinely believe that we, as a society, should recognise that being trafficked and abused whilst a child, is likely to have a severe psychological trauma on the victim and lead them to speak and act in ways that us lucky people who haven’t been subjected to such horrendous abuse may initially struggle to comprehend.
She is an easy target for angry, middle aged, knuckle draggers who jump on the chance to lay into an abused child. That is what she was, and it is undeniable that the abuse she was subjected to must have left a mark on her.

We have failed her and we must make up for that.
Bring the girl home, offer her succour, give her a robust defence and after she has served her sentence (assuming she is in actual fact guilty of any crime) look after her.
Given the national hysteria about this poor girl, that may well look like a change of identity, and a lifetime of financial and emotional support.
It’s the least we owe her.

The hate stems from fear, and is more about what Begum represents than the individual. Begum is not seen as a child, a woman or a person. She is a boogyman that we are free to hate and tear down. The dehumanising language to describe her, or what should happen to her is deliberate. She is a target to vent at, an object to be vilified and destroyed.

The Govt has no grounds for stripping Begum of citizenship and by doing so devalues that citizenship, as anything that can be removed so cheaply has little value to begin with.

 

[Rascal]

Or maybe she wasn't any of those things you cite.

I like freedom too. Freedom to go to a gig without fear of being blown to bits.

Maybe she was not, which is why I would like to see her citizenship reinstalled and for her to face the British justice system. We simply cannot allow a Government to dish out performative justice based on political imperative.

If in court it is judged she is a threat to you attending a gig then by all means remove her liberty and let her take her place at His Majesties pleasure. What this thread fails to consider though is, what if she is not a threat and just a misguided young girl whose life choices went disastrously wrong.

 

[mackenzie]

Maybe she was not, which is why I would like to see her citizenship reinstalled and for her to face the British justice system. We simply cannot allow a Government to dish out performative justice based on political imperative.

If in court it is judged she is a threat to you attending a gig then by all means remove her liberty and let her take her place at His Majesties pleasure. What this thread fails to consider though is, what if she is not a threat and just a misguided young girl whose life choices went disastrously wrong.

We will have to agree to disagree here Rascal. Personally I think that ANY person that goes to support any regime that is keen on blowing us up and barbarically murdering innocent people, is a traitor.
It's a whole different ball game in my book.[/QUOTE]