Shamima Begum

[Rascal]

You should probably not smoke crack at your age Russ.

The sort of answer that proved my point a few posts back.

Cheers Sam

 

[SWP's back]

The sort of answer that proved my point a few posts back.

Cheers Sam

Carol Vorderman couldn’t even help you with an answer that would prove your point pal. That post of yours is certifiable.

She’s a victim of fuck all. The real victims are the poor fuckers killed by her husband and his merry band of religious **** bubbles and the many thousands of Yazidi girls, some as young as 9, that were raped by said cunts. Not some cow that grew up in the first world and decided to leave all that to marry into the attempted caliphate.

 

[hilts]

Thank fuck you’re not in charge.

Not many driving instructors would get in a car with her, surely we could throw in a free driving licence and BMW as well.

I would be careful about giving her a Hummer though.

 

[Rascal]

Carol Vorderman couldn’t even help you with an answer that would prove your point pal. That post of yours is certifiable.

She’s a victim of fuck all. The real victims are the poor fuckers killed by her husband and his merry band of religious **** bubbles and the many thousands of Yazidi girls, some as young as 9, that were raped by said cunts. Not some cow that grew up in the first world and decided to leave all that to marry into the attempted caliphate.

And you prove it again.

You are good at this. Because what you are trying to prove is not something I said, you are proving something else I said.

 

[Rascal]

The right? Many people on the left share the same views on this ****.

Not saying that they don't. I share them myself.

 

[Vic]

These are great questions that you are asking and ones which I am interesting in exploring myself. In general, one thing that distinguishes ISIS from other jihadist movements like al-Qaeda, is the emphasis that they place on apocalyptic eschatology. This is something that William McCants looks at in detail in his excellent study The ISIS Apocalypse.

However, although I know where to look and have purchased some of the relevant books, I haven't had time to read them yet.

First of all, there's this:

When Prophecy Fails - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

There's also Simon Dein's book Lubavitcher Messianism: What Really Happens When Prophecy Fails

The Lubavitichers are a Hasidic sect whose leader, Rebbe Schneerson, died without formally declaring himself to be the Moschiach or Messiah, as many of them were expecting. Dein looks at how they dealt with that.

On Islam specifically, after the invasion of Iraq in 2003, the belief that Muslims were living in the end times gained a lot more traction in the Islamic world. This is a phenomenon that Jean Pierre Filiu looks at in his study Apocalypse in Islam.

As far as experts on Salafi-Jihadism are concerned like Shiraz Maher and Peter Neumann, the consensus is that jihadist ideology is going to persist in some form. It isn't going away. My suspicion is that the aforementioned eschatological aspect of this will fade into the background as time goes on.

Hope this helps in some way.

What Really Happens When Prophecy Fails?

That could go on the Brexit thread. Some people are still denying that it's crap.

 

[ZenHalfTimeCrock]

What Really Happens When Prophecy Fails?

That could go on the Brexit thread. Some people are still denying that it's crap.

Haven't had a look but that doesn't surprise me. When nothing is allowed to count against a belief system, when it is essentially regarded as unfalsifiable, that could be a sign that there's something wrong.

I like what Jonathan Haidt says about this. 'Follow the sacredness', he advises. 'Find out what people believe to be sacred, and when you look around there you will find rampant irrationality.'

The right, for example, arguably sacralize markets while the left might be seen to sacralize victims and demonise capitalism.

I think a similar process is at work on this thread in relation to Begum.

It’s amazing to me how many on here assume that they have an intimate knowledge of her psyche and motivations, and are therefore perfectly placed to pass judgement on her.

I wish I had their mutant ability to see into the mind of another with such turbo-charged flourishes of omniscience.

The simple fact is that we don’t as yet know enough about what went on with her.

As I have stated before, I am disinclined to view her circumstances favourably but I really can’t be sure.

Me, again I prefer what Chuang Tzu said about this: 'The torch of chaos and doubt, that is what the sage steers by.'

Anyway, this is my last post in this section of the forum.

 

[hammocity]

Haven't had a look but that doesn't surprise me. When nothing is allowed to count against a belief system, when it is essentially regarded as unfalsifiable, that could be a sign that there's something wrong.

I like what Jonathan Haidt says about this. 'Follow the sacredness', he advises. 'Find out what people believe to be sacred, and when you look around there you will find rampant irrationality.'

The right, for example, arguably sacralize markets while the left might be seen to sacralize victims and demonise capitalism.

I think a similar process is at work on this thread in relation to Begum.

It’s amazing to me how many on here assume that they have an intimate knowledge of her psyche and motivations, and are therefore perfectly placed to pass judgement on her.

I wish I had their mutant ability to see into the mind of another with such turbo-charged flourishes of omniscience.

The simple fact is that we don’t as yet know enough about what went on with her.

As I have stated before, I am disinclined to view her circumstances favourably but I really can’t be sure.

Me, again I prefer what Chuang Tzu said about this: 'The torch of chaos and doubt, that is what the sage steers by.'

Anyway, this is my last post in this section of the forum.

Your communication is very poor, entrenched in what you feel is intelligent debate where you are the ultimate point scorer, I do feel sorry you have to expend your energies for such a pointless cause.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

There is no doubt we are less forgiving as a society than we were a generation ago; and we are discernibly poorer for it.

 

[Rascal]

Haven't had a look but that doesn't surprise me. When nothing is allowed to count against a belief system, when it is essentially regarded as unfalsifiable, that could be a sign that there's something wrong.

I like what Jonathan Haidt says about this. 'Follow the sacredness', he advises. 'Find out what people believe to be sacred, and when you look around there you will find rampant irrationality.'

The right, for example, arguably sacralize markets while the left might be seen to sacralize victims and demonise capitalism.

I think a similar process is at work on this thread in relation to Begum.

It’s amazing to me how many on here assume that they have an intimate knowledge of her psyche and motivations, and are therefore perfectly placed to pass judgement on her.

I wish I had their mutant ability to see into the mind of another with such turbo-charged flourishes of omniscience.

The simple fact is that we don’t as yet know enough about what went on with her.

As I have stated before, I am disinclined to view her circumstances favourably but I really can’t be sure.

Me, again I prefer what Chuang Tzu said about this: 'The torch of chaos and doubt, that is what the sage steers by.'

Anyway, this is my last post in this section of the forum.

It is a crying shame that it is your last post on this section, you add so much to it.

Haidt is right, it is a major difference between left and right. The market is the right wings god, to the left it is a source that drives inequality.

We have become a nation of Judges, we judge though on spurious evidence. Alternative facts are accepted as true, True facts are dismissed as hearsay and propaganda.

The problem is who judges the judges.