Shamima Begum

[Metal Biker]

It's just racism.

If she was white and went at 15yo then she'd be a victim of grooming and be back here pronto, and the press would be up in arms about abuse of white girls by Asian men.

She was born and brought up here. If she committed a crime, she should be tried and punished here.

The crime she committed was in Syria. She should face Syrian trial, justice and imprisonment.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Spot on. Farage is just a a gutless opportunist, but at least he forged a respectable career for himself before letting his hateful ideology subsume him. Robinson? Without Muslims and groups he can "other", he would be a total non-entity. About as relevent as the shit you'd wipe from your shoe.

Unlike Farage, Begum has apologised and recanted for what she did, said and believed when she was fifteen.

 

[hilts]

The papers love Shamima. Farage and Tommy two names love her too. She is such an important ingredient in keeping the hate-recipe brewing. Get a grip - child joins dodgy gang having been groomed.
Bring her back and try and convict her if you have evidence of crimes committed.
Happy new year to all.

Odd bump on new year i must say :-)

Happy new year to you to.

 

[bluethrunthru]

Every six months or so this terrorist rat is back in the media looking for a way back in. What a waste of tax payers money it would be bringing her back to be put in prison.

Have you ever wondered why she pops up regularly? You can bet she isn't the story but is good cover for something cerain people would prefer you not to focus on

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Have you ever wondered why she pops up regularly? You can bet she isn't the story but is good cover for something cerain people would prefer you not to focus on

It was always going to happen once the Egyptian situation hit the news.

I do think for the first time that the perma-ourtraged are being left to be outraged for the first time, rather than trying to reason with them.

It’ll be interesting when they see that their antics aren’t getting as much reaction as they once were.

 

[Phil1]

It was always going to happen once the Egyptian situation hit the news.

I do think for the first time that the perma-ourtraged are being left to be outraged for the first time, rather than trying to reason with them.

It’ll be interesting when they see that their antics aren’t getting as much reaction as they once were.

Looks like most of our right wing contingent are still in bed. Late nights of hanging flags and painting roundabouts has caught up to them.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Looks like most of our right wing contingent are still in bed. Late nights of hanging flags and painting roundabouts has caught up to them.

Could be, or could be that social media discourse is dying.

90% of people just get on with life as best they can in the real world. It’s only the vocal online minority that are perma-raged, emboldened by millions of bots.

Once Twitter rage disappears, and it’s slowly returning to people taking the piss again, then hopefully this era of the cuntish bully will come to an end.

 

[Manchester_lalala]

Unlike Farage, Begum has apologised and recanted for what she did, said and believed when she was fifteen.

Ahhh she said sorry, that makes everything ok then.

 

[Earlyriser]

Unlike Farage, Begum has apologised and recanted for what she did, said and believed when she was fifteen.

To misquote Mandy 'well she would say that wouldn't she'. She 's hardly going to come out and say ' I continue to support the Isis ideology'

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Ahhh she said sorry, that makes everything ok then.

Don’t you think Farage should?

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

To misquote Mandy 'well she would say that wouldn't she'. She 's hardly going to come out and say ' I continue to support the Isis ideology'

I think you’ve missed the point of my post, namely that Farage is a hypocrite.

 

[Earlyriser]

I think you’ve missed the point of my post, namely that Farage is a hypocrite.

Why is he a hypocrite? On matters of race his views appear to have been the same since he was at school. I'm not in any way seeking to defend him but there are better subjects on which to highlight his hypocrisy

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Why is he a hypocrite? On matters of race his views appear to have been the same since he was at school. I'm not in any way seeking to defend him but there are better subjects on which to highlight his hypocrisy

Because he is quick to condemn what Begum did (which was unquestionably more severe) when she was fifteen, citing her age as no excuse, but seeks to downplay racial abuse from himself at the same age, partly because of the age he was when he said it. He’s mentioned the antiquity of those actions, as well as the fact he was at school at the time, in order to minimise them on several occasions.

If he was to simply say, I said things I shouldn’t and I’m sorry, then he wouldn’t be a hypocrite on the issue. Instead he deploys his lack of maturity as a deflection tactic as a means to try and downplay what he said and the impact it had on others. That makes him a hypocrite to a material extent, especially as he is a party leader.

And like Begum, he is also treacherous. Talking money from Russia and saying the UK is like North Korea in Congress will have had a more profound negative impact on the UK than anything Begum said or did. The difference is that his treachery is ongoing.

 

[Earlyriser]

Because he is quick to condemn what Begum did (which was unquestionably more severe) when she was fifteen, citing her age as no excuse, but seeks to downplay racial abuse from himself at the same age, partly because of the age he was when he said it. He’s mentioned the antiquity of those actions, as well as the fact he was at school at the time, in order to minimise them on several occasions.

If he was to simply say, I said things I shouldn’t and I’m sorry, then he wouldn’t be a hypocrite on the issue. Instead he deploys his lack of maturity as a deflection tactic as a means to try and downplay what he said and the impact it had on others. That makes him a hypocrite to a material extent, especially as he is a party leader.

And like Begum, he is also treacherous. Talking money from Russia and saying the UK is like North Korea in Congress will have had a more profound negative impact on the UK than anything Begum said or did. The difference is that his treachery is ongoing.

Point taken

 

[Fred_Quimby]

It's just racism.

If she was white and went at 15yo then she'd be a victim of grooming and be back here pronto, and the press would be up in arms about abuse of white girls by Asian men.

She was born and brought up here. If she committed a crime, she should be tried and punished here.

Agreed. Just RWM again. I still can't get my head around that. Talk about double standards.

The crime she committed was in Syria. She should face Syrian trial, justice and imprisonment.

People don't get get citizenship removed for things they did in another country. If she broke our laws she should be punished here.

 

[Manchester_lalala]

Don’t you think Farage should?

I couldn’t give a fuck about Farage.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

I couldn’t give a fuck about Farage.

Nice sidestep.

 

[blueinsa]

As much as some would like to make it about the RWM, Farage or even posters on here, both the last government and now this one, as politically polar opposite of the last as you could get (on paper at least) do not want her back and both cite the reason as national security.

Maybe security services have offered up enough evidence against her that has given both governments that same position?

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

That’s all well and good, but she hasn’t been tried.

 

[Metal Biker]

Agreed. Just RWM again. I still can't get my head around that. Talk about double standards.


People don't get get citizenship removed for things they did in another country. If she broke our laws she should be punished here.

She broke there's. So she should be incarcerated, there.