Shamima Begum

[oldius]

When politicians and their friends control the media, the route to democracy is a tricky path to navigate, as Brexit proved.

 

[BlueNomad]

When politicians and their friends control the media, the route to democracy is a tricky path to navigate, as Brexit proved.

We can blame media for many things, but making big decisions for us? That’s on us!

If you don’t consume enough media of multiple persuasions, you’re always going to make a blinkered decision, no matter the decision or the long-term effects of it. This is why advocacy and community are so important.

 

[manclad]

The bitch can boil in her own piss in whichever shit hole she is in for me

Best post in this whole thread.
I couldn't have worded it better if I sat behind my keyboard for the next hundred years.
You are the best wordsmith since Bill Shakespeare packed in writing 400 years ago.

 

[Palerider]

Well, it’s at that point where people need to exercise their democratic right of protest and seek ouster.

Again, though, on the ground, at the time, there was no 90 years of history to reflect on or point to.

Democracy is better than the supposition that some small group of (Educated? Powerful? Moneyed? All three?) people should decide what’s best for the majority, no?

Or, maybe we should just go back to 1214 and bin the idea that people have rights?

It is worrying, the number of people who hold their fellow man in such utter contempt that they do not think they should have a vote. Even more worrying these people convince themselves they are on the side of good. The capacity for human beings for self delusion is astonishing.

 

[hilts]

I think you value democracy and it's results highly where as I am more sceptical about the results it can produce.

Yes, the Germans may have voted the Nazis in but sometimes the masses don't understand what they are letting themselves in for. As Winston Churchill once said, 'The best argument against democracy is a 5 minute conversation with your average voter.'

I'd much rather the UK be subject to the rules of the ECHR that protect individual freedoms than leave things in the hands of Farage or some other rightwing nut job.

So basically you want your own way:-) classic.

 

[i kne albert davy]

When politicians and their friends control the media, the route to democracy is a tricky path to navigate, as Brexit proved.

Probably the most democratic thing I've ever taken part in, everybody who could be arsed to vote counted just because you didn't like the result you can't blame the system.

 

[oldius]

Probably the most democratic thing I've ever taken part in, everybody who could be arsed to vote counted just because you didn't like the result you can't blame the system.

Au contraire. The press was filled with lies and people were misinformed. That is apparent and has had a devastating effect. The use of bots to manipulate opinion is spreading like a cancer across social media. A free and honest press is the only way democracy works.

 

[oldius]

We can blame media for many things, but making big decisions for us? That’s on us!

If you don’t consume enough media of multiple persuasions, you’re always going to make a blinkered decision, no matter the decision or the long-term effects of it. This is why advocacy and community are so important.

Have a look at social media ownership and influence - Musk, Zuckerberg, Ellison, et al. Increasingly, there are fewer and fewer persuasions . By design, of course. Trump spoke out numerous times about TikTok and then pushed the idea of new ownership, then pulls out his mate Larry Ellison. Musk now states on his own social media platform that he will be funding the Republican party because a win for the 'radical left' would be devastating for the US - and so it goes.

 

[BlueNomad]

Have a look at social media ownership and influence - Musk, Zuckerberg, Ellison, et al. Increasingly, there are fewer and fewer persuasions . By design, of course. Trump spoke out numerous times about TikTok and then pushed the idea of new ownership, then pulls out his mate Larry Ellison. Musk now states on his own social media platform that he will be funding the Republican party because a win for the 'radical left' would be devastating for the US - and so it goes.

And we, collectively, have the ability to overcome that…as New York City showed, and Virginia, and New Jersey…

 

[LesBleuMiserable]

We can blame media for many things, but making big decisions for us? That’s on us!

If you don’t consume enough media of multiple persuasions, you’re always going to make a blinkered decision, no matter the decision or the long-term effects of it. This is why advocacy and community are so important.

You appear to be a balanced and informed person who will vet multiple sources before accepting a certain position. You are however assuming the majority are well informed and highly educated. Most have a snippet of what they see in the media or hear and run with that. This is why it is even more important to have a balanced media but sadly is quickly vanishing. The media manipulation will keep increasing.

 

[BlueNomad]

You appear to be a balanced and informed person who will vet multiple sources before accepting a certain position. You are however assuming the majority are well informed and highly educated. Most have a snippet of what they see in the media or hear and run with that. This is why it is even more important to have a balanced media but sadly is quickly vanishing. The media manipulation will keep increasing.

The responsibility of free citizens is a great burden, but it is worth the effort. A little reading is far better than picking up a firearm and having to fight for freedom the hard way. However, the beauty of the Constitution, esp 2A, is that it doesn’t create a foregone conclusion.

 

[Eric Hitchmough]

The bitch can boil in her own piss in whichever shit hole she is in for me

 

[LesBleuMiserable]

The responsibility of free citizens is a great burden, but it is worth the effort. A little reading is far better than picking up a firearm and having to fight for freedom the hard way. However, the beauty of the Constitution, esp 2A, is that it doesn’t create a foregone conclusion.

I do not disagree with you at all. If your attitude was adopted we would live in a significantly more informed, pleasant and secure environment and if not fully consensual society at least an informed one where intellectual expressions could rule the roost. People would talk rather than turn on one another. Amen to that I would say!

Things seem to have stagnated so quickly in the past 10 or 15 so years. The senseless loss of so many lives in so many countries and the undeterred ambivalence of the loss is truly depressing. Some nations even actively encouraging the continuation of the senseless destruction.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Best post in this whole thread.
I couldn't have worded it better if I sat behind my keyboard for the next hundred years.
You are the best wordsmith since Bill Shakespeare packed in writing 400 years ago.

I’m becoming increasingly drawn to the conclusion that you aren’t a fan…

 

[manclad]

I’m becoming increasingly drawn to the conclusion that you aren’t a fan…

Whatever gave you that idea ?

 

[Chris in London]

Yes, i'm not the one against the democratic method.

Okay.

It’s just that when you raised a point about the way ECHR judges are appointed some might have thought you were saying it was undemocratic

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Whatever gave you that idea ?

I’m very intuitive.

 

[manclad]

I’m very intuitive.

David Grant and Linx like this post !!

 

[Metal Biker]

Okay.

It’s just that when you raised a point about the way ECHR judges are appointed some might have thought you were saying it was undemocratic

No, I was asking the OP how exactly does he intend such positions to be appointed without the democratic process, since he denigrates the concept so.

 

[BridgyDids]

The bitch can boil in her own piss in whichever shit hole she is in for me

Why?