Shooting at Mandalay Bay Resort (Las Vegas)

[ChicagoBlue]

I just heard that they estimate there are 300 million guns in the US, surely that can't be right can it?

Probably a low ball figure, because people are very private about ownership, especially those with many.

Now, did you look at how many PEOPLE own guns? Do the maths. Therein lies an issue!

 

[ChicagoBlue]

Nope.

Yep. And that's the law! I realize you may not like it, but then there are plenty of laws many of us don't like. Doesn't change the facts, though.

 

[buckshot]

In February Dumb Donald signed a law that makes it easier for people with mental illnesses to purchase guns. What could possibly go wrong?

 

[Hollywood Blue]

I don't like guns, I don't own a gun, but criminals are always going to get their hands on guns.
So I will defend an American citizens right to own a gun.
However, there is no reason in the world that somebody needs an automatic assault rifle for self defense or to hunt wild animals with.
There needs to be much stricter gun control laws and much more expensive fees for a firearm license with a much, much longer wait time from filling out the application, until you get your hands on the gun.
And more extensive background psychology checks for applicants.
I was in Vegas two weeks ago and drove past the concert venue, it's easy to see what sitting ducks those poor victims were.

 

[buckshot]

I don't like guns, I don't own a gun, but criminals are always going to get their hands on guns.
So I will defend an American citizens right to own a gun.
However, there is no reason in the world that somebody needs an automatic assault rifle for self defense or to hunt wild animals with.
There needs to be much stricter gun control laws and much more expensive fees for a firearm license with a much, much longer wait time from filling out the application, until you get your hands on the gun.
And more extensive background psychology checks for applicants.
I was in Vegas two weeks ago and drove past the concert venue, it's easy to see what sitting ducks those poor victims were.

Normally I would agree but when all of the gun nuts literally believe a knife is just as dangerous as a gun I think they shouldn't have them.

 

[ChicagoBlue]

Which guns in whose hands? Is it possible, in your mind, to be a legal and responsible gun owner?

Sure they can be, never said anything to the contrary but current regulations don't exactly make it hard for the 'other kind' to get their hands on a weapon, both legally and illegally

Yep. Hindsight is 20/20.

Switzerland and Serbia.

You'll find that regulations in both countries are more stringent, especially in Switzerland, where psychiatric evalutions are mandatory and, in comparison, only a rather limited range of weapons are legal. Also, the amount of guns per capita in the USA is more than double that of the runner up (Serbia) and nearly 5 times that of switzerland

You asked, I answered.

Too bad you're not on SCOTUS! Here in America, laws are interpreted by them. Go to Law School, get elected to the bench, become a Constitutional Scholar and you will get to tell us all about it...oh, and you would be in the minority in the current SCOTUS. For some background, read the Heller decision and get back to me.

Heller was decided 5v4, hardly a unanimous decision, yet hardly surprising given the NRA's lobbying prowess.

You might surprised how much "settled law" was a 5-4 decision in SCOTUS. There is a reason Trump touts Gorsuch as such a big deal!

Review that logic and get back to me. One doesn't follow the other.

What would you attribute the increase in gun violence to then?

The lack of high quality, low-to-no cost mental health care.

Or, maybe it is guns in the wrong hands that causes the problem, because I can assure you I could own a million guns and I would never be a mass murderer! But, then who decides who the "wrong hands" are without hindsight?

Having more guns in circulation increases the likelihood of those guns ending up in the wrong hands.

You are missing my point. Who, and how, determines "the wrong hands" BEFORE the event? The Minority Report and Precogs is just the movies. Until then, we do background checks and allow law enforcement to make a determination. Some people even believe that is too much, based on the actual wording of the 2A.

It is already ugly, and I hope there can be some realistic regulations imposed. However, as always, the response will be "bad guys don't give a fuck about the law...that's why we call them bad guys!
Do you think "the law" had ANY effect on this guy?

Well alright then you finally agree with what's being advocated,namely imposing more regulations.

And no, the current laws actually make it rather easy for him or any other bad guy to obtain such weapons. A decent pshychiatric evaluation might have prevented it though.

And reducing accessibility to weapons decreases the chance of those weapons ending up in the wrong hands altogether, it's logic really.

Tell that to the people who get gunned down by gang members with criminal records who have zero legal access to guns! I appreciate that we are trying to put fingers in the dyke, but you are ignoring the fact that there are th Islands of people who don't share your (and my) law-abiding intentions and are walking around putting new holes in that same dyke every day.

I am very, very strong on law and order. I think it should be very hard to own a gun. As others have said, we can all wring with our hands every time some looney toon commits mass murder, but we are constantly trying to determine why good people go bad, not why they had a weapon. As others have said, they are ubiquitous, especially in some states, and there are laws in place to try to restrict ownership to only those people who meet those laws. I believe we may be able to do more, but there was little to no appetite for that when we had a Dem in power, so you can imagine how that will play to the Reps who run the Federal Government and the States...and who ar funded by the NRA.

As an aside, we recently had a politician on in stage at his pre-election rally wearing his cowboy hat and an alligator waistcoat. He started around the stage talking about his opponent telling people that he (the guy on stage) was not strong on 2A. So, what did he do? He took a gun and it of his pocket on stage at his own rally and waved it in the air to demonstrate he was a 2A advocate! This is a looney toon who has been struck down from the Judges bench TWICE, but he ran for Senate in Alabama and is now the Republican nominee in the election! He is a fucking certified religious nut looney toon, but he will probably win and become one of the most important 100 people in the USA!!


Did you hear the whooping and cheering?!

America is not Berkshire!

 

[ChicagoBlue]

Normally I would agree but when all of the gun nuts literally believe a knife is just as dangerous as a gun I think they shouldn't have them.

A gun is "the great equalizer." If your life is threatened by anyone, a gun makes a 5'8" man feel 10 feet tall and a knife irrelevant. It is inbred into the culture here and nothing we say will change it. There is a reason people say, "he brought a knife to a gun fight!"

 

[buckshot]

A gun is "the great equalizer." If your life is threatened by anyone, a gun makes a 5'8" man feel 10 feet tall and a knife irrelevant. It is inbred into the culture here and nothing we say will change it. There is a reason people say, "he brought a knife to a gun fight!"

But as soon as you talk about limiting the types of guns people can buy the NRA and their stupid followers talk about having to outlaw knives as well.

My point is that if you want to have an intelligent conversation about something you need two intelligent parties, we don't have that. You spend the whole time trying to explain to them how a gun is actually more dangerous than a knife and they literally can't understand that.

 

[ChicagoBlue]

These guys say this system is legal...

Not having a bash i should note, just that they say their gadgets are legal and that seems like full auto to me haha.

This is exactly the problem faced by those seeking to have greater gun legislation! That is simply a semi automatic (pull the trigger for each round fired) AR-15 that has had a mechanism built into the stock that acts like the hammer and firing pin mechanism, such that by holding the trigger down, the firing pin keeps hammering the round that is being fed into the chamber. In short, instead of the trigger pull causing the hammer to force the firing pin into the round, the entire stock of the gun moves back and forth to fire the bullet. It is a stock (the part that goes into the shoulder) modification to get around the letter of the law on automatic weapons, where it is the trigger pull making it automatic!

 

[ChicagoBlue]

But as soon as you talk about limiting the types of guns people can buy the NRA and their stupid followers talk about having to outlaw knives as well.

My point is that if you want to have an intelligent conversation about something you need two intelligent parties, we don't have that. You spend the whole time trying to explain to them how a gun is actually more dangerous than a knife and they literally can't understand that.

1) Love the name! ;-)
2) I agree.