Shooting outside the House of Commons

[blueonblue]

Its a good lay out of facts on some things from an often unreported viewpoint, this is not a rant to a room full of knuckle draggers but a talk followed by a Q&A session at Oxford university.

He talks about meeting his MP (Now PM) to raise the problems radicals were causing in Luton even before the start of the EDL, and the connections to acts of terror since carried out both here and in Europe.

All I can say is I found it interesting watching, you are entitled to think the bloke is an arsehole (I did) but that does not negate what he has to say in the context of what is now history.

 

[BlueHammer85]

Terrorism is not a big problem in the UK .

Security services have prevented 13 potential terror attacks since June 2013, the UK's most senior counter-terrorism police officer has revealed.

Assistant commissioner Mark Rowley also said there were 500 live counter-terror investigations at any time.

He disclosed the figures as he launched an appeal, Action Counters Terrorism, for the public to report suspicions.

Information from the public has helped police in a third of the most high-risk investigations, figures show.

It has also contributed to stopping some of the 13 attacks - a figure one higher than the last update, given in October.

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when does it become a big problem ?

 

[inbetween]

Security services have prevented 13 potential terror attacks since June 2013, the UK's most senior counter-terrorism police officer has revealed.

Assistant commissioner Mark Rowley also said there were 500 live counter-terror investigations at any time.

He disclosed the figures as he launched an appeal, Action Counters Terrorism, for the public to report suspicions.

Information from the public has helped police in a third of the most high-risk investigations, figures show.

It has also contributed to stopping some of the 13 attacks - a figure one higher than the last update, given in October.

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when does it become a big problem ?

This doesn't illustrate a problem.

We are very lucky that terrorism is actually one of the few crimes that is more often than not prevented. Terrorism may be on the rise but how many murders, robberies and so on do the Police deal with every year that are not prevented. The Jo Cox murder was an act of terrorism yet it is never mentioned in the same light as a problem although it is exactly the same extremist views being expressed in exactly the same way.

In the grand scheme of things, if there were 1000 terrorist attempts and we prevented every single one does that make it more a problem than the completely preventable 3000+ drink driving deaths that occur every year?

 

[west didsblue]

Security services have prevented 13 potential terror attacks since June 2013, the UK's most senior counter-terrorism police officer has revealed.

Assistant commissioner Mark Rowley also said there were 500 live counter-terror investigations at any time.

He disclosed the figures as he launched an appeal, Action Counters Terrorism, for the public to report suspicions.

Information from the public has helped police in a third of the most high-risk investigations, figures show.

It has also contributed to stopping some of the 13 attacks - a figure one higher than the last update, given in October.

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when does it become a big problem ?

That illustrates that attempted terrorism is a problem that is effectively being dealt with, not that terrorism is a big problem. This would suggest that politicians actually aren't wringing their hands as suggested by one poster but are taking the threat seriously and are giving the security services the resources to counter the threat.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

This doesn't illustrate a problem.

We are very lucky that terrorism is actually one of the few crimes that is more often than not prevented. Terrorism may be on the rise but how many murders, robberies and so on do the Police deal with every year that are not prevented. The Jo Cox murder was an act of terrorism yet it is never mentioned in the same light as a problem although it is exactly the same extremist views being expressed in exactly the same way.

In the grand scheme of things, if there were 1000 terrorist attempts and we prevented every single one does that make it more a problem than the completely preventable 3000+ drink driving deaths that occur every year?

3000 drink driving deaths pa?

 

[Gelsons Dad]

3000 drink driving deaths pa?

or on average 250 if you prefer the truth.

 

[Helmet Cole]

Security services have prevented 13 potential terror attacks since June 2013, the UK's most senior counter-terrorism police officer has revealed.

Assistant commissioner Mark Rowley also said there were 500 live counter-terror investigations at any time.

He disclosed the figures as he launched an appeal, Action Counters Terrorism, for the public to report suspicions.

Information from the public has helped police in a third of the most high-risk investigations, figures show.

It has also contributed to stopping some of the 13 attacks - a figure one higher than the last update, given in October.

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when does it become a big problem ?

The fact is that statistically we are all very much more likely to kill ourselves, be killed by a family member or a drunk driver than a terrorist.

 

[Gelsons Dad]

This doesn't illustrate a problem.

We are very lucky that terrorism is actually one of the few crimes that is more often than not prevented. Terrorism may be on the rise but how many murders, robberies and so on do the Police deal with every year that are not prevented. The Jo Cox murder was an act of terrorism yet it is never mentioned in the same light as a problem although it is exactly the same extremist views being expressed in exactly the same way.

In the grand scheme of things, if there were 1000 terrorist attempts and we prevented every single one does that make it more a problem than the completely preventable 3000+ drink driving deaths that occur every year?

1) There is a world of difference between multiple plots and acts of terror by a group of people with a single aim, following a prescribed dictum and a single incident as in the case of Jo Cox. To consider them in the same light is disingenuous to say the least.

2) There is a world of difference between crime and terrorism. To consider them in the same light is disingenuous to say the least.

3) 3000+ is an outright lie.

 

[west didsblue]

This doesn't illustrate a problem.

We are very lucky that terrorism is actually one of the few crimes that is more often than not prevented. Terrorism may be on the rise but how many murders, robberies and so on do the Police deal with every year that are not prevented. The Jo Cox murder was an act of terrorism yet it is never mentioned in the same light as a problem although it is exactly the same extremist views being expressed in exactly the same way.

In the grand scheme of things, if there were 1000 terrorist attempts and we prevented every single one does that make it more a problem than the completely preventable 3000+ drink driving deaths that occur every year?

There's only 1700 road deaths in total in the UK each year.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

or on average 250 if you prefer the truth.

That seems about right.

btw I stayed in Richterswil for a couple of days two weeks ago!