Alan Harper's Tash
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Will the Tory one be on ITV called “The C Factor”?
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Should political party leaders be elected by the public?
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Will the Tory one be on ITV called “The C Factor”?
Will the Tory one be on ITV called “The C Factor”?
Conservative?
No, they’re only Conservative in name.
Alan Harper's Tash
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Conservative?
No, they’re only Conservative in name.
There are lots of words beginning with C that it could mean.
There are lots of words beginning with C that it could mean.
There are, hence why I asked.
Alan Harper's Tash
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There are, hence why I asked.
Perhaps it doesn’t need answering as people can create their own word?
L Island for Labour?
Fame Monster
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Only if the managers of football teams can be "elected" by fans .......so thats a no from me
Fair enough if you don't think it's a good idea but partly the reason I suggested it is because so many people do treat political parties like football clubs which sometimes causes them to vote against their own interests and to vote for candidates least like the opposite party and it's the people who don't think political parties should be like football clubs who lose out.
Chippy_boy
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No
Perhaps the public should elect our (City's) next manager?
They'd give us Alan Ball.
Perhaps the public should elect our (City's) next manager?
They'd give us Alan Ball.
bluethrunthru
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No
Perhaps the public should elect our (City's) next manager?
They'd give us Alan Ball.
If we are gonna get a dead one can't we at least elect a successful one like Joe Mercer lol !
Chippy_boy
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I think it would be a better idea if the public were not involved in the selection at all. Not even party members being involved.Currently, they're elected by their own parties - a small, peripheral group with ideas completely out of touch with the general public hence why we're getting leaders who are equally extreme and out of touch with most people.
Would it be a good idea for these groups to instead create a shortlist of candidates with the general public ultimately choosing the winner maybe at the same time they vote in a local election for example?
They should let the parties MPs elect the leader. MPs are in touch with their local communities and also that would prevent what has happened to both parties - them being hijacked by some faction or other. Momentum in the case of Labour and the "out, out, out, Brexit-shouting 79 year olds" in the case of the Tories.
Had the Labour party done this, we'd probably have a Labour government now. David Milliband would have won the GE in 2015 and we'd have ended austerity several years ago. And no Brexit.
whp.blue
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I think I qualify in that regard.Because supporters of other parties would vote for the most useless tosser in the race.
I used my vote for Corbyn in the last leader election.
Been a Union member for 40 years and voted Tory for the last twenty or so but hey I still get a vote.
Fame Monster
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Seeing how the system works in the US Democratic Race with open elections pretty much finishing off the Corbyn-like candidate (according to some - although that may be unfair on Sanders) and some of the other unelectables, I can't help think a better system here built on similar principles would have spared the country from Corbyn/Momentum and maybe Johnson/ERG too.
Democracy is in a really unhealthy position when the only realistic choice is effectively between the candidates who appeal to the most extreme wing of their party. Open elections would solve this and I think the public has the right to choose anyway given that around £1M of public money goes to the two main, institutionalised parties.
This is a much more important reform than the constitutional changes that seem to be being proposed about the HofL imo.
Democracy is in a really unhealthy position when the only realistic choice is effectively between the candidates who appeal to the most extreme wing of their party. Open elections would solve this and I think the public has the right to choose anyway given that around £1M of public money goes to the two main, institutionalised parties.
This is a much more important reform than the constitutional changes that seem to be being proposed about the HofL imo.
Somewhere in this post is the answer to how a long established and well-respected major party got fucked upDo you not think it open to some voting from those with no interest whatsoever other than to try and fuck a party over?
Leadership of a political party is for that party to decide as per their rules and no one else mate.
If the public want a say then they should join.
It did indeed end up seemingly being "...….open to some voting from those with no interest whatsoever other than to try and fuck a party over"
And that led to recognition that....."Leadership of a political party is for that party to decide as per their rules and no one else"
and enough of those that wanted to fuck the party over wanting a say so and therefore joining.
It seems a fair explanation of how we ended up with the election of Corbyn
Apologies - just messing;-)