TFC
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Not been keeping up lads to be honest, but I thought this fella was a shoe in for Bayern? Where do things stand at the moment cos I (along with all of you I'm sure ;) would fooking love it if we could pull this off.
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Sign martinez now (cont)
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TFC said:Not been keeping up lads to be honest, but I thought this fella was a shoe in for Bayern? Where do things stand at the moment cos I (along with all of you I'm sure ;) would fooking love it if we could pull this off.
Athletic won't sell for less than his release clause which is €40 million/£32 million. Bayern don't want to pay that because everyone should be allowed to leave their clubs for free to play for them because they're such a huge club, and they're getting arsey about it. We're now linked with him again and it would seem he's ours if we're willing to pay his release clause. Bobby said in his presser the other day he's too expensive, with a big grin on his face, but obviously we never know with him. I'm with Mr Keegan on this one...
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summer of 69 said:I have not seen much of him at all, but he is very highly rated. How does he compare with say Phil Jones
Phil Jones?? Are you having a fucking laugh??
Much better footballer but much less pace, stamina or experience of Premier League football. For the price, even more overrated.
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I thought it was because they were actually willing to pay the release clause but had to pay tax on top of it.This guy will easy be worth it in the end but I reckon he'll need time to adapt.Solihull Samba Boys said:TFC said:Not been keeping up lads to be honest, but I thought this fella was a shoe in for Bayern? Where do things stand at the moment cos I (along with all of you I'm sure ;) would fooking love it if we could pull this off.
Athletic won't sell for less than his release clause which is €40 million/£32 million. Bayern don't want to pay that because everyone should be allowed to leave their clubs for free to play for them because they're such a huge club, and they're getting arsey about it. We're now linked with him again and it would seem he's ours if we're willing to pay his release clause. Bobby said in his presser the other day he's too expensive, with a big grin on his face, but obviously we never know with him. I'm with Mr Keegan on this one...
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The way it was explained to me was that the player has to pay the release clause not Bayern, that means Martinez himself has got to pay the 32m out of his income.
To enable him to do that the buying club would then want to re imburse Martinez the 32m so he doesn't lose out, but according to tax law in Spain Martinez would then be perceived to receive 32m as income and on that he would have to pay 45% tax. So the actual transfer fee for Martinez if the buying club pays his tax and can't find a loophole is 32m plus say half 16m which equates to a 48m transfer. Add onto that signing on fee and and agents fees and wages and you can see why even Mancini is saying the transfer fee is too high.
To enable him to do that the buying club would then want to re imburse Martinez the 32m so he doesn't lose out, but according to tax law in Spain Martinez would then be perceived to receive 32m as income and on that he would have to pay 45% tax. So the actual transfer fee for Martinez if the buying club pays his tax and can't find a loophole is 32m plus say half 16m which equates to a 48m transfer. Add onto that signing on fee and and agents fees and wages and you can see why even Mancini is saying the transfer fee is too high.
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Dont even know why we are still getting mentioned for this guy, he is massively overrated and is not worth 25 mil never mind 40 mil. The fact he can play in two positions is irrelevant when we can just sign a decent cb and a midfielder like Dembele and more than likely still have change from what it would cost to sign Martinez. Martinez is a good player nothing else at the minute, he may very well go on to be a world beater but i doubt it bedsides 40 mil should be buying you a world class player not potential and Martinez is no where near world class at this present time.
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city91 said:Dont even know why we are still getting mentioned for this guy, he is massively overrated and is not worth 25 mil never mind 40 mil. The fact he can play in two positions is irrelevant when we can just sign a decent cb and a midfielder like Dembele and more than likely still have change from what it would cost to sign Martinez. Martinez is a good player nothing else at the minute, he may very well go on to be a world beater but i doubt it bedsides 40 mil should be buying you a world class player not potential and Martinez is no where near world class at this present time.
well said +1
Rammyblues said:The way it was explained to me was that the player has to pay the release clause not Bayern, that means Martinez himself has got to pay the 32m out of his income.
To enable him to do that the buying club would then want to re imburse Martinez the 32m so he doesn't lose out, but according to tax law in Spain Martinez would then be perceived to receive 32m as income and on that he would have to pay 45% tax. So the actual transfer fee for Martinez if the buying club pays his tax and can't find a loophole is 32m plus say half 16m which equates to a 48m transfer. Add onto that signing on fee and and agents fees and wages and you can see why even Mancini is saying the transfer fee is too high.
About that.
With some special addition.
First - in other cases this tax was never taken. It is something that stands in the tax laws but has never been brought to practise. But there is always a first time. Bayern has had a prior story with Athletico Bilbao in 1997 when Lizarazu came to Munich - at that transfer we had to pay an extra amount for the transfer afterwards even if I do not know exactly why. How it was handled before is no guarantee for future actions - so Bayern is very cautious.
Second - Spanish league makes the club to include a buyout-clause into the contracts in some forms. But - Fifa Law says that the transfer has to be made from club to club. So it seems that not everything the spanish clubs practised is according to FIFA law. Bringing stuff like this in front of a court would skip some spanish "traditions".
Martinez wants to go to Bayern - after Urrutia (the club president) did not want to go in negotiations he even sent his parents and the agents to him. Bayern is willing to pay the asked price - they just do not want to have any risks that this sum will go further up in such dimensions and do not want to break any Fifa rules etc.
The spanish FA is in it now, too - urging Urrutia to give in.
But if you believe Spanish and German media it could be that that transfer will be finished Monday or Tuesday. Hoeness, Sammer, Rummenigge and Martinez looked pretty relaxed in TV interviews yesterday - even if they did not want to say something about this topic. But it was not like the days before when it seemed to be more at risk.
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cmdub said:alot of reports saying he'll be confirmed as bayern player tomorrow
Sad to read that, but thats life
You don't always gets what you wants.
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