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Wreckless Alec said:
It amazes me in these discussions that no-one ever asks the obvious question: "How are those clubs not in the Champions League when these rules come into effect ever going to afford to compete with those already in it ?"

Any team not in the champs league or no wish to be in it can spend what they want. All teams in the Cl or wishing to partake in it have to abide by the ffpr..
This has nowt to do with clubs overspending and getting into difficulties,this is aimed at keeping the big boys big and the small boys small. UEFA have to realise that their income comes from big teams and comps..if all the big teams said fuck the ffpr UEFA would be fucked so im surprised that this isnt the case.
Or maybe it will be when push comes to shove.
 
Lucky13 said:
They mentioned Chelsea a lot more than us , it's a pity our Chairman wasn't in the studio with them.

Perhaps that's because they know that the strides we are making will blow everyone else out of the water eventually and it will be perceived as a positive and that would never do would it.<br /><br />-- Mon Nov 21, 2011 10:10 pm --<br /><br />
samharris said:
Wreckless Alec said:
It amazes me in these discussions that no-one ever asks the obvious question: "How are those clubs not in the Champions League when these rules come into effect ever going to afford to compete with those already in it ?"

Any team not in the champs league or no wish to be in it can spend what they want. All teams in the Cl or wishing to partake in it have to abide by the ffpr..
This has nowt to do with clubs overspending and getting into difficulties,this is aimed at keeping the big boys big and the small boys small. UEFA have to realise that their income comes from big teams and comps..if all the big teams said fuck the ffpr UEFA would be fucked so im surprised that this isnt the case.
Or maybe it will be when push comes to shove.

I agree, they have to look after the Sky product, Liverfool, Ars, Minure, Chelsky.
 
Feel sorry for the haters who get so excited thinking anything will honestly happen to us, I trust our financial experts working behind the scenes much more than I do any spokesperson in the media. Look at our chairman for example, or our manager and backroom staff...our financial team is of the same quality, they are the best in the business and we have got nothing to worry about.

Wreckless Alec said:
It amazes me in these discussions that no-one ever asks the obvious question: "How are those clubs not in the Champions League when these rules come into effect ever going to afford to compete with those already in it ?"
Exactly, I'm all for "fair play" but all these rules will do is make the rich richer and poor poorer. If mid-table clubs like Villa can't spend and make some big signings how can they ever expect to compete for European positions and upset the balance? Could make the league very boring for few years until these rules are abolished because the same top five every year for the next few decades would get really boring. Oh wait...
 
At last Martin Samuel says it how it is.
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2064436/Blame-Platini-Manchester-Citys-195m-loss-Martin-Samuel.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... amuel.html</a>?
 
Chorleyblue said:
At last Martin Samuel says it how it is.
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2064436/Blame-Platini-Manchester-Citys-195m-loss-Martin-Samuel.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... amuel.html</a>?


Thank the lord for Samuel. You cant say it clearer than that, not even the haters can dispute that surely.

Thanks for the link Chorleyblue
 
What a brilliant article. I wondered if anyone would ever bother telling it like it really is rather than focusing on the "...big, bad Arabian bad man with his oil billions...." (TM).

Napoleon Nero - ruining football since 2007. Fucking prick.
 
I think a lot of Blues are taking a pretty narrow and paranoid view of the ffp regulations.

They have not been constructed to keep the existing big clubs safe - honestly the status quo would do the same with the odd exception like City or Malaga, and let's be honest: money pouring into football is good for everyone.

Nor have they been created to protect clubs from being left in tatters by fickle owners running them into debt and fucking off. Of course this is an issue, but much less at the Champions League level so the regs will not fix this.

They are designed solely to artificially reduce player wages, and restrict them on an ongoing basis. It's quite simply an end run around European trade restriction and anti-trust laws and to install some type of a "salary cap" as is so common in North American sports.

Th apparent protection of the established big clubs is simply a side effect of the strange way they've had to structure the rules for legal reasons, and to a degree some concessions to the biggest clubs which UEFA could not do without.

It's shocking to me that the players and player's associations have not put up more of a fight against this, as they will certainly be the ones that feel this the most.

One thing's for sure: it won' be City.<br /><br />-- Tue Nov 22, 2011 2:26 am --<br /><br />Actually, a correction. He one way it will hurt us is the sudden devaluation of outgoing players. If we face having to move player's on their values will be severely depleted, especially with the wages we are paying them. Hopefully the lower costs of new players and salaries will offset this.

In fact we've already seen this in the summer with Tevez.
 
Just blame Platini for Man City's £195m loss

By Martin Samuel

Last updated at 11:52 PM on 21st November 2011

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The craziest notion is that they had any alternative. There is nothing remotely lunatic in Manchester City running up a £194.9million loss for the financial year ending May 31, nothing bizarre in a wage bill totalling £22m more than turnover. To argue other options were available in the quest for elite acceptance: that is the true madness.

It was this way, or die wondering. Manchester City either bet the farm on Roberto Mancini and this squad before UEFA’s financial fair play rules kicked in or they remained outside forever.

Across football in Europe, a giant drawbridge is being pulled up. City had one last year to get the right side of it, or risk permanent exclusion. Given Sheik Mansour’s resources, any owner of ambition would have done the same.
Can you blame him? Manchester City owner Sheik Mansour

Can you blame him? Manchester City owner Sheik Mansour

While UEFA’s financial constraints remain, the same way forward will not be open to another club. City could not wait until next year and while the cost of the project may seem astronomical, the consequences of inaction were far greater.

Had financial fair play been more thoughtfully structured, City’s development could have been less frenzied. Had Michel Platini, the UEFA president, ruled against owner investment that was given as a loan, there would not have been this clamour to spend, spend, spend.

Regulation was needed, we could all see that. The model whereby an owner could bankroll a huge spending spree beyond the means of a club, lose interest in the project and then seek repayment, putting its very existence in jeopardy, had to be curtailed. The insistence that all money invested in a club had to be in the form of a gift, not a loan, would have solved that problem.

What UEFA did by going further and linking spending power to generated income was effectively outlaw new money coming into the game to upset the established order. City then had a deadline in which to join the elite or be left behind.
Moneybags: Man City have bankrolled Roberto Mancini's signing of players such as Sergio Aguero (left)

Moneybags: Man City have bankrolled Roberto Mancini's signing of players such as Sergio Aguero (left)

The £194.9m loss is the cost of that artificial imposition, nothing else. City knocked the castle wall down by firing money at it and UEFA will shore it up behind them.

The greatest cost is elsewhere. The prospect of Everton being successfully sold dwindles by the day, despite the boundless optimism of chairman Bill Kenwright. ‘I’m searching very hard for a wealthy benefactor and I’ll find one,’ he insisted this week. ‘The doomsayers can say what they like, this is a great football club.’

Indeed it is. But who would want it, now UEFA have barred the new owners from providing the money needed to propel it towards the Champions League? If close to £200m is the cost of leading the Premier League, then at least half that is needed to break the top four.

Yet any potential successor to Kenwright could not spend it, because such sums could not be supported within the football club. It would take decades, or luck on a spectacular scale, to compete at the elite level without utilising a significant cash injection.
Enlarge Star-studded: Man City's expensively assembled squad train in Italy

Star-studded: Man City's expensively assembled squad train in Italy

And new money does not want a daily grind spread over many decades. It wants fun, success and excitement; it wants to be put on the map.

Imagine buying Blackburn Rovers and growing it organically to the size of Bolton Wanderers, and then to the size of Stoke City and then maybe to the size of Aston Villa. That would take, at a conservative estimate, 10 years. And you’re still not guaranteed the Europa League, let alone the title.

Say it was possible to grow a smaller Premier League club to one the size of Everton or Aston Villa, just on good housekeeping and clever management. How would you make that giant next step? Answer: you wouldn’t. Say you produced a string of fantastic youth players. Where would that get you? Where are the products of Southampton’s youth academy? At Arsenal and Tottenham Hotspur. Wayne Rooney is now with Manchester United. So is Ashley Young. How much longer will Jack Rodwell remain at Goodison Park?
Fair play? Michel Platini's rules will have an adverse effect

Fair play? Michel Platini's rules will have an adverse effect


The elite few will snap them up, because UEFA have decreed they will have more money to spend. Always. It will no longer matter if an oil man wants to invest in your club. Unless he strikes it beneath the main stand, his hands will be tied by UEFA.

So forget the fallacy of being propelled to glory by a brilliant youth team. Can’t happen, won’t happen.

Sir Alex Ferguson, the Manchester United manager, now admits he got Phil Jones from Blackburn on the cheap. Welcome to the future, as an elite cabal arrogantly claims the best talent throughout the league, safe in the knowledge they are now the only ones that can offer any chance of success.

There will be no point Everton telling Rodwell he can realise his dreams at Goodison Park. He can’t. We all know that.

So do not hate City for their debt. They did what they had to do because it was the only course UEFA left open to them. Blame Platini: it’s his idea.
 
The Goat 10 said:
unexpected item said:
Purslow just said he hopes us and chelsea get slung out!
Also clocked him saying something along the lines of "some of these clubs make these losses on purpose and are awfully run", clearly referring to us and Chelsea. I'd love to find a club who's owners run it better than ours in the Premier League.

Arse

Which was quite an ironic comment seeing as how close Liverpool were to going tits oop when the RBOS were calling in their debts.
 

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