Well we wouldn't need mass immigration in the first place if there wasn't the greedy exploitative employers and slumlords paying illegally low wages and providing illegally poor housing...
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BrianW
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You see, the problem is lefties don't like people being discriminated against because of their race, colour or creed. I know that's a radical concept, but, hey -.Yes you've confirmed exactly what I'm saying... those who benefit from mass immigration and those who are most in favour of it are indeed the employers.. and the most avaricious and exploitative employers are those most in favour of it, hence the liberal lefties are nothing more than the useful idiots acting on behalf of those vile greedy corporate entities and rentier classes they claim to despise so much.
We tend also to despise nativism and nationalism as primitive creeds that divert the working class from their real enemies. Such creeds are the tools of bourgeois fascists and their fellow travellers precisely because they can be used to manipulate the workers against their own best interests.
Finally, I may be left but I am absolutely not a liberal. I favour draconian penalties for (among others) capitalists who abuse the workers with illegal wages, illegal housing and illegal working conditions. So please do not mix us proper lefties with liberals. The latter tend to be somewhat relaxed when it comes to a proper regulation of society, and of business in particular.
mexico1970
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You see, the problem is lefties don't like people being discriminated against because of their race, colour or creed. I know that's a radical concept, but, hey -.
We tend also to despise nativism and nationalism as primitive creeds that divert the working class from their real enemies. Such creeds are the tools of bourgeois fascists and their fellow travellers precisely because they can be used to manipulate the workers against their own best interests.
Finally, I may be left but I am absolutely not a liberal. I favour draconian penalties for (among others) capitalists who abuse the workers with illegal wages, illegal housing and illegal working conditions. So please do not mix us proper lefties with liberals. The latter tend to be somewhat relaxed when it comes to a proper regulation of society, and of business in particular.
Massive difference as you say between lefties and modern day liberals and faux lefties who purport to speak for people they have no business even thinking about.
Everyone should have a bit of left and right in them.
OK I am not a leftie but I can at least understand what a real leftie brings, liberals can fuck off they are parasites.
Well unfortunately your leftie ideals and aspirations are entirely contradictory and self defeating.You see, the problem is lefties don't like people being discriminated against because of their race, colour or creed. I know that's a radical concept, but, hey -.
We tend also to despise nativism and nationalism as primitive creeds that divert the working class from their real enemies. Such creeds are the tools of bourgeois fascists and their fellow travellers precisely because they can be used to manipulate the workers against their own best interests.
Finally, I may be left but I am absolutely not a liberal. I favour draconian penalties for (among others) capitalists who abuse the workers with illegal wages, illegal housing and illegal working conditions. So please do not mix us proper lefties with liberals. The latter tend to be somewhat relaxed when it comes to a proper regulation of society, and of business in particular.
It's quite simple really, if you're in favour of mass immigration then you're also in favour of suppressed wages, eroded workers rights, appalling working T&C's, increased pressure on public services and infrastructure and hugely inflated costs of accommodation.... all of which will impact you regardless of your race, colour, creed or whether you're a native or an imagrant.
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I'm not in favour of mass immigration. Very few people are, if any.Well unfortunately your leftie ideals and aspirations are entirely contradictory and self defeating.
It's quite simple really, if you're in favour of mass immigration then you're also in favour of suppressed wages, eroded workers rights, appalling working T&C's, increased pressure on public services and infrastructure and hugely inflated costs of accommodation.... all of which will impact you regardless of your race, colour, creed or whether you're a native or an imagrant.
I'm in favour of necessary immigration. Unfortunately, all the political parties for 40 years or more have never developed a rational plan beyond anti-immigrant rhetoric. We could, for example, train more of our own people to be doctors, nurses, dentists, IT engineers and so on, but no government can be arsed. We could do more to train people in areas of skill shortage, for example, brickies, sparks, joiners, roofers, plumbers, but no government can be arsed.
We could make it easier for 'natives' to take up job opportunities in areas where the work is. Again, no government can be arsed.
We could enforce things like the minimum wage much more vigorously and with heavy penalties for non-compliance. Again, no government can be arsed.
It's so much easier to whip up hatred about foreigners, and it's a lot cheaper. But whipping up hatred solves nothing. It just creates rioting and criminal records.
BTW, ask yourself why the Tories issued visas for over 1 million immigrants in a single year. Yes, they did! Why? Not for political advantage, surely? It must have been because, they, the Tories, saw economic reasons for it. Can you deny that?
They diverted us by getting people wound up about 'the boats' who constitute about 3% of immigrants, while waving through the 97% with a smile on their faces. You need to investigate why the 97% were considered so necessary that they were granted visas. The Tories were big on rhetoric, but gave visas to 97% of all immigrants. Just have a think about that.
This encapsulates so much of what annoys me about this country. I am not talking about immegration per se, but the lack of longer term planning and action. Both main parties are equally guilty.I'm not in favour of mass immigration. Very few people are, if any.
I'm in favour of necessary immigration. Unfortunately, all the political parties for 40 years or more have never developed a rational plan beyond anti-immigrant rhetoric. We could, for example, train more of our own people to be doctors, nurses, dentists, IT engineers and so on, but no government can be arsed. We could do more to train people in areas of skill shortage, for example, brickies, sparks, joiners, roofers, plumbers, but no government can be arsed.
We could make it easier for 'natives' to take up job opportunities in areas where the work is. Again, no government can be arsed.
We could enforce things like the minimum wage much more vigorously and with heavy penalties for non-compliance. Again, no government can be arsed.
It's so much easier to whip up hatred about foreigners, and it's a lot cheaper. But whipping up hatred solves nothing. It just creates rioting and criminal records.
BTW, ask yourself why the Tories issued visas for over 1 million immigrants in a single year. Yes, they did! Why? Not for political advantage, surely? It must have been because, they, the Tories, saw economic reasons for it. Can you deny that?
They diverted us by getting people wound up about 'the boats' who constitute about 3% of immigrants, while waving through the 97% with a smile on their faces. You need to investigate why the 97% were considered so necessary that they were granted visas. The Tories were big on rhetoric, but gave visas to 97% of all immigrants. Just have a think about that.
So Labour have an ambitious new housing target, but the industry says we haven’t got the skilled Labour to achieve it. Typical. If the UK was a business, it would be easy to change policy and get moving but our system of government militates against this. It is geared to the short term. One solution lies in reform of the House of Lords, giving it powers to affect long term policy but the Commons will never cede any power.
We need a strong campaign by journalists, writers, think tanks, the public and more to put pressure on for constitutional change. If I were 40 years younger I would found a political party with this aim but it’s too late for me now. Posters on here would do well to be less partisan and more in favour of a change of attitude for both parties. If you think, for example, Tories bad, my lot good, you are part of the problem.
mexico1970
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So Labour have an ambitious new housing target, but the industry says we haven’t got the skilled Labour to achieve it.
In simple terms we need a million new workers to build a million or so homes for them to live in after they are built :)
If there were a button for ‘this is a really bad post’, I would be pressing it here.Well unfortunately your leftie ideals and aspirations are entirely contradictory and self defeating.
It's quite simple really, if you're in favour of mass immigration then you're also in favour of suppressed wages, eroded workers rights, appalling working T&C's, increased pressure on public services and infrastructure and hugely inflated costs of accommodation.... all of which will impact you regardless of your race, colour, creed or whether you're a native or an imagrant.
A huge non sequitur, but I think you knew that!In simple terms we need a million new workers to build a million or so homes for them to live in after they are built :)
mexico1970
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A huge non sequitur, but I think you knew that!
Maybe but maybe not.
:)