Slovakia v England match thread

[T_C]

I see what you're saying, some good points there.

Thing is, City losing to Sheff would (Hopefully!!) be a blip, Spain and Germany having bad tournaments and results are, bye and large, blips. England have been dealing out the same turgid shite for years. This is epitomised by rughead specifying when he will retire and playing where the fuck he likes until then.

England needs a shakeup, players need to know if they don't produce they're dropped. I have a feeling at the moment that a player being picked for England means the world to them as their chances of a lucrative sponsorship deal increases, not because they are playing for their country.

 

[Blue Hefner]

Every year in every football competition there's shocks. That's football !!!

So ... If Man City lose to say Sheff Utd in the FA Cup this year...Should 10 of the 11 be dropped for the next game ? Should Kompany if Captain lose his captaincy ?

Last World Cup Spain lost 5-1 to Holland and 2-0 to Chile. They didn't qualify from there group ... Did you know they still have pretty much the same squad ... Play the same way, oh and have the same captain !!!

But it's ok for Spain, Germany etc to have bad tournaments because they've won em more recently ... Tournaments in which Allardyce has played no part yet has to bare the grunt of English fans frustration for absolutely anything - formations, squad, what he says ... Results and performances are irrelevant unless he wins a tournament. Even then some wouldn't be able to accept it. A poison chalice if I've ever seen one.

But it wasn't that much of a shock - we were shit in the 3 games leading up to Iceland

To use your City analogy - City are expected to finish 1st or 2nd, England were expected to get to the quarterfinals/semifinals(with a good wind). England being beaten by Iceland in the last 16 is the equivalent, I'd say, of City finishing 6th

If City finished 6th, I'd get rid of the fucking lot of them! So yeah, I think it's fair to say England should have made significant changes on the playing side as well as management

 

[BlueHammer85]

But it wasn't that much of a shock - we were shit in the 3 games leading up to Iceland

To use your City analogy - City are expected to finish 1st or 2nd, England were expected to get to the quarterfinals/semifinals(with a good wind). England being beaten by Iceland in the last 16 is the equivalent, I'd say, of City finishing 6th

If City finished 6th, I'd get rid of the fucking lot of them! So yeah, I think it's fair to say England should have made significant changes on the playing side as well as management

But that's an overall season ... The World Cup and Euro's are knock out competitions - we could of had your perfect manager, team and formation and still lose to Iceland. That's what happens. Like the FA Cup we see minnows beating big clubs every year - why should England be the exception to this rule just because we haven't won a major in a long long time. Not saying we shouldn't be critical and look at ways to improve but the uproar after 1 qualifying match in which we won and did have chances to win 5/6-0 is what makes me think no England manager has a chance now days.

 

[inchy14]

But that's an overall season ... The World Cup and Euro's are knock out competitions - we could of had your perfect manager, team and formation and still lose to Iceland. That's what happens. Like the FA Cup we see minnows beating big clubs every year - why should England be the exception to this rule just because we haven't won a major in a long long time. Not saying we shouldn't be critical and look at ways to improve but the uproar after 1 qualifying match in which we won and did have chances to win 5/6-0 is what makes me think no England manager has a chance now days.

No England manager has a chance if they're going to continue picking the same shite every game.

Rooney, Henderson, Hart(after his dropped bollocks), Cahill and Kane should have been at the best only on the bench this week and for me nowhere near the squad. But BFS decided to take the easy option and continue to pick the same old tired faces who have let their country down on numerous occasions before.
For him to then come out with the bullshit regarding Rooney only makes the matter worse.
Nothing has changed since the Euro's, fuck all, so why the hell did we sack Hodgson to put some fuck wit in charge who hasn't got either the balls to drop players or the brains to see what's needed.

You go on about everyone has a different view but let me ask you this.

How come over the last 40 odd years of failure, no matter who the manager is, the same players from certain clubs continue to get picked?

United, Liverpool, Arsenal players who no matter how badly they perform still get called up. Why?

 

[Blue Hefner]

But that's an overall season ... The World Cup and Euro's are knock out competitions - we could of had your perfect manager, team and formation and still lose to Iceland. That's what happens. Like the FA Cup we see minnows beating big clubs every year - why should England be the exception to this rule just because we haven't won a major in a long long time. Not saying we shouldn't be critical and look at ways to improve but the uproar after 1 qualifying match in which we won and did have chances to win 5/6-0 is what makes me think no England manager has a chance now days.

Point 1 - But that Didn't happen - you can talk hypothetically all you like but the reality is our 'star' players failed miserably yet they have been picked again and will(in all likelihood) continue to get picked

Point 2 - The reason, I think we missed chances is because the management and players didn't have a plan for the chances to fall to strikers - if I remember, the majority of our chances fell to Adam Lallana?

 

[aguerrrroooooooooooo]

But that's an overall season ... The World Cup and Euro's are knock out competitions - we could of had your perfect manager, team and formation and still lose to Iceland. That's what happens. Like the FA Cup we see minnows beating big clubs every year - why should England be the exception to this rule just because we haven't won a major in a long long time. Not saying we shouldn't be critical and look at ways to improve but the uproar after 1 qualifying match in which we won and did have chances to win 5/6-0 is what makes me think no England manager has a chance now days.

Unacceptable excuses; England have done nothing for 20 years in tournaments yet we make the same mistakes year in year out

We have a terrible coaching system which results in England producing managers such as hodgson and allardyce; it's pathetic! Why can't England be producing the Mourinho's, Simeones or guardiola's of the world? I'll tell you why; because our coaching system is an embarrassment, Iceland have more coaches per square mile than we do and they don't even have a professional league for crying out loud!

I've looked into getting coaching badges done but the FA make them so expensive in comparison to countries like Spain. Now I was probably never going to be the next guardiola but prohibitive pricing will undoubtedly be discouraging people from getting into coaching and who knows, there might have been some potential top coaches in England who have never been unearthed due to the amount of moment the FA are charging to get into coaching

Not only the coaches were have produced over the last 20 years are diabolical, our players are not up to scratch; please don't give me the usual rubbish about the facilities not being up to scratch, it's nonsense. Brazil have been producing world class players for the last 50 years and their facilities are a battered football and a dusty road. The way we teach our kids to play football is so far removed from encouraging technical ability like Brazil or Argentina it's crazy

England will continue to be an embarrassment on the international stage as long as the FA remains the way it is

 

[adrianr]

But that's an overall season ... The World Cup and Euro's are knock out competitions - we could of had your perfect manager, team and formation and still lose to Iceland. That's what happens. Like the FA Cup we see minnows beating big clubs every year - why should England be the exception to this rule just because we haven't won a major in a long long time. Not saying we shouldn't be critical and look at ways to improve but the uproar after 1 qualifying match in which we won and did have chances to win 5/6-0 is what makes me think no England manager has a chance now days.

In the FA Cup on average the better teams make it further into the competition than the poorer teams. They will occasionally lose to minnows, more often lose to similar level sides, but the trends are nearly always that of success.

The English trend is one of failure. You cant compare the two. You're asking for leeway to be given to a side that has shown nothing to deserve it. The reason those big sides getting knocked out by minnows doesn't result in sacking half the squad is because that's the anomaly, not the norm. You're the definition of trying the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.

 

[IH8MUFC]

We haven't won out for 50 years so blaming Johnny Foreigner doesn't wash with me, if a gascoigne was out there he would be playing for a top club, playing with good foreign players should help us, we get beat in tournaments by teams with far inferior players

I'm not blaming Johnny Foreigner. I'm blaming the fact that there are too many foreign players bought by the club's that are lazy.

We spent 200 million on an academy yet we bought 9 players in the summer, to go with an already big senior squad. How is a young English academy player supposed to get in the squad exactly?

These days you need there to be a mass injury/suspension list to get an opportunity. That's how the rags stumbled over Rashford.

 

[super_city_si]

I saw some very worrying things in that Slovakia game. On quite a few occasions all our players were within a 20 yard square. Often when the ball was on one side of the field, the opposite wide payer was pretty much central, therefore offering no width at all. I can understand condesing the field against superior opposition, but agaisnt Slovakia we should have been making that pitch as big as possible. Sterling and Lallana should have been hugging the touchline all game, creating space and channels.

Allardyce needs to change his mentality quick. He still thinks hes the underdog and his first instinct in not to lose instead of playing to win.

Oh, and that fucking pube headed twat thinking hes Pirlo.

 

[Cheadle_hulmeBlue]

So, lads, you got humiliated V Iceland but do you know what, you can all play again!!

To play 10 of the 11 that played V Iceland was nothing sort of ridiculous- now all the players know that, try as they might, they will not be dropped for poor performance

The captain should have gone down with the ship, Kane rested/dropped, we didn't need Dier V them when Stones can come into midfield etc

the majority of players who played against iceland are good players, you can't just drop all of them because we didn't play well - not exactly a big pool of players to pick from either.