So then...Scudamoes comments about the premier league..

[KenTheLandlord]

Some of the shit thats been typed on here over the last few years is beyond ridiculous
Theres folk who still think Sky,prem,f a & the refs get together and decide who wins the title before the season starts.......

I know I really shouldn't but I'd like to say just once, why not make an intelligent contribution to a debate that moves it forward instead of the usual sneering, sarcastic shite you come out with.

He's not wrong though! It's not sneering, it's the truth. There are some completely looney comments that come on here regarding the agenda.

-- Fri Mar 28, 2014 3:23 pm --

Because they were the 2 defining matches of the season that ensured we were in with a chance of winning the league. You have suggested it was scripted that way. What I want to know is who at club level is in on it all, how are the instructions relayed?

With hindsight that is what you think. Would the 1-0 defeat at Wigan be just as decisive?

I haven't suggested it is scripted, you are picking certain matches.

As in the other post i think there are easier ways to deal with it all.

Course you have!

not in the way you are trying to twist my argument.

you are saying there are certain matches or certain incidents. Then ask me to prove it.

The PL dont need to do that. There are enough contraversies to put matches towards certain outcomes.

They hide the tree in the wood.

 

[moomba]

He's not wrong though! It's not sneering, it's the truth. There are some completely looney comments that come on here regarding the agenda.

I find it odd that you don't seem to be bothered at all by comments from the CEO of a sporting organisation that the wishes of supporters of a high profile team have to be balanced against a fair competition. Comments from a vast minority on an internet forum seem to be a bigger problem to you.

 

[Pigeonho]

He's not wrong though! It's not sneering, it's the truth. There are some completely looney comments that come on here regarding the agenda.

I find it odd that you don't seem to be bothered at all by comments from the CEO of a sporting organisation that the wishes of supporters of a high profile team have to be balanced against a fair competition. Comments from a vast minority on an internet forum seem to be a bigger problem to you.

They're not a problem, we are having a debate and as of yet, a friendly one.<br /><br />-- Fri Mar 28, 2014 3:30 pm --<br /><br />

I know I really shouldn't but I'd like to say just once, why not make an intelligent contribution to a debate that moves it forward instead of the usual sneering, sarcastic shite you come out with.

He's not wrong though! It's not sneering, it's the truth. There are some completely looney comments that come on here regarding the agenda.

-- Fri Mar 28, 2014 3:23 pm --

With hindsight that is what you think. Would the 1-0 defeat at Wigan be just as decisive?

I haven't suggested it is scripted, you are picking certain matches.

As in the other post i think there are easier ways to deal with it all.

Course you have!

not in the way you are trying to twist my argument.

you are saying there are certain matches or certain incidents. Then ask me to prove it.

The PL dont need to do that. There are enough contraversies to put matches towards certain outcomes.

They hide the tree in the wood.

By asking if I thought the 4-4 was odd at the time, to me that is you suggesting it was beyond odd, and that you are suggesting it was fixed. That's how I took that comment.

 

[dazdon]

I hate it when mods argue...it like being a child again with my parents going at it hammer and tongue ;-)

 

[BigJoe#1]

I hate it when mods argue...it like being a child again with my parents going at it hammer and tongue ;-)

Sounds quite erotic... Forget the tongs on this occasion, let's love in peace 80))

 

[KenTheLandlord]

He's not wrong though! It's not sneering, it's the truth. There are some completely looney comments that come on here regarding the agenda.

I find it odd that you don't seem to be bothered at all by comments from the CEO of a sporting organisation that the wishes of supporters of a high profile team have to be balanced against a fair competition. Comments from a vast minority on an internet forum seem to be a bigger problem to you.

They're not a problem, we are having a debate and as of yet, a friendly one.

-- Fri Mar 28, 2014 3:30 pm --

He's not wrong though! It's not sneering, it's the truth. There are some completely looney comments that come on here regarding the agenda.

-- Fri Mar 28, 2014 3:23 pm --


Course you have!

not in the way you are trying to twist my argument.

you are saying there are certain matches or certain incidents. Then ask me to prove it.

The PL dont need to do that. There are enough contraversies to put matches towards certain outcomes.

They hide the tree in the wood.

By asking if I thought the 4-4 was odd at the time, to me that is you suggesting it was beyond odd, and that you are suggesting it was fixed. That's how I took that comment.

Fair enough.
They also lost at Wigan but that in itself isnt a justification of fixing a league.



The point i am making is that an outcome needed to be delivered (an exciting PL finale), how they get there isnt that much of a problem. It happens it was City who were in the box seat, even better the noisy neighbours. If we had won that match 2-0 you not think Sky would have been screaming what a finale? Granted not as much as Tyler but we are working in hindsight. Either way, the important detail was delivered and a bumper new contract was signed.

A refused free kick here, a missed/given penalty there. Eventually goal line technology came in, how the trumpets blazed that they wanted the game fair and square. As far as i can recall only Dzeko's goal has been useful. It's a great shout towards the inconsequential.

Meanwhile, a player is suspended for a match, a one match ban becomes three. No one knows how the disciplinary committee works, there is no consistency and in that uncertainty nothing needs to be concrete. The devil is in the detail.

No not at all are the matches fixed in the traditional sense, ie a £5000 to let a goal in. However in amongst all those inconsistencies and moot points in a match, there can be sufficient pressure brought to bear. Hence the comments of referees and Scudamore's comments this morning.

If you want to widen the conversation as to the corruptness of the game, as if anyone (bar Harry Redknapp) would be so vulgar as to pass a brown envelope on (its offshore accounts). Allardyce sending Morrison to QPR because he wont sign with Sam's agent. Oh they need the money, the managers, the players, the agents, who isn't in on it all?

 

[Pigeonho]

Anyway, my working week is done and the school-run beckons. I'm sure this will carry on into the night and who knows, maybe i'll have a peek in later loaded up with booze and see how the fuck it's going on. ;-)

Enjoy.

There's no fucking agenda

 

[KenTheLandlord]

Anyway, my working week is done and the school-run beckons. I'm sure this will carry on into the night and who knows, maybe i'll have a peek in later loaded up with booze and see how the fuck it's going on. ;-)

Enjoy.

There's no fucking agenda

Ok mate no worries, have a good un.

There is.

 

[Pigeonho]

I find it odd that you don't seem to be bothered at all by comments from the CEO of a sporting organisation that the wishes of supporters of a high profile team have to be balanced against a fair competition. Comments from a vast minority on an internet forum seem to be a bigger problem to you.

They're not a problem, we are having a debate and as of yet, a friendly one.

-- Fri Mar 28, 2014 3:30 pm --

not in the way you are trying to twist my argument.

you are saying there are certain matches or certain incidents. Then ask me to prove it.

The PL dont need to do that. There are enough contraversies to put matches towards certain outcomes.

They hide the tree in the wood.

By asking if I thought the 4-4 was odd at the time, to me that is you suggesting it was beyond odd, and that you are suggesting it was fixed. That's how I took that comment.

Fair enough.
They also lost at Wigan but that in itself isnt a justification of fixing a league.



The point i am making is that an outcome needed to be delivered (an exciting PL finale), how they get there isnt that much of a problem. It happens it was City who were in the box seat, even better the noisy neighbours. If we had won that match 2-0 you not think Sky would have been screaming what a finale? Granted not as much as Tyler but we are working in hindsight. Either way, the important detail was delivered and a bumper new contract was signed.

A refused free kick here, a missed/given penalty there. Eventually goal line technology came in, how the trumpets blazed that they wanted the game fair and square. As far as i can recall only Dzeko's goal has been useful. It's a great shout towards the inconsequential.

Meanwhile, a player is suspended for a match, a one match ban becomes three. No one knows how the disciplinary committee works, there is no consistency and in that uncertainty nothing needs to be concrete. The devil is in the detail.

No not at all are the matches fixed in the traditional sense, ie a £5000 to let a goal in. However in amongst all those inconsistencies and moot points in a match, there can be sufficient pressure brought to bear. Hence the comments of referees and Scudamore's comments this morning.

If you want to widen the conversation as to the corruptness of the game, as if anyone (bar Harry Redknapp) would be so vulgar as to pass a brown envelope on (its offshore accounts). Allardyce sending Morrison to QPR because he wont sign with Sam's agent. Oh they need the money, the managers, the players, the agents, who isn't in on it all?

Got time for this one.

Are you referring to the Balotelli incident there, the stamp on Parker? If so, well if he didn't do that stamp like the petulant little twat that he was, then no ban would be needed whatsoever. Besides, if he was as good as he was made out to be, maybe he could have won us more games than he did, and we would have been long-gone in the league, but that is another topic entirely.
You are basically saying that people during a game, refs, players or whoever, are using strings to orchestrate how those matches turn out. You have even said that the finale was, to an extent, set up for the new contract to be given extra umph. It would take people at various levels to communicate to set up such a fix, some might say the players included. I can't even begin to fathom how much work would need to go into setting up how that season eventually turned out. I've not seen any evidence put forward to suggest refs were told what to do, CEO's and players of various clubs or anyone else for that matter. What I saw was United fuck up their lead and us pull our socks up and take advantage of it. No conspiracy, no fixing it to end that way, just a great end to a great season like never seen before - new TV contracts or not.

 

[BigJoe#1]

I do find it somewhat strange that Sky Sports have not had a single mention of Scudamores comment (had it on for the last 90 minutes or so).

It is the type of story they would usually pounce on.... I wonder why the silence?