so this agenda thing.

[Pigeonho]

Didnt eat Jelly babies, i much preferred coltsfoot rock. I think probably its more of a culmination of just feeling that media constantly piss on our chips. I know it shouldn't really bother me, but take the new contracts signed by Silva, Vinnie and Kun. For any other club that would of been lorded in the media. However for us, every story ive read is based on the money it will cost us. No great articles about what those 3 bring to the PL and how fantastic it is for the PL to keep stars like them here long term.

I've not seen one negative article about the contracts, I've also not seen any positive ones. I have however seen articles that have reported on what we've done - extend the contracts of key players for lengthy periods. You see for anyone other than city fans there are no positives on those deals, or negatives for that matter. They are simply stories to be reported on, which is what they've done. When Rooney signed his 300k a week deal it was the same thing. Positives for united fans but not much else. If you think 'splash the cash' is a negative, as many seem to think it is on that headline a few pages back, well i presume then you think arsenal fans must think the same headline was a negative when it was used for their purchase of that kid from barca, who's name escapes me for some reason. I've seen it used especially in liverpool case this ore season, as splashing the cash is what they've done. The headline of city spend 175m grabs the person looking at it, then the sub headline of 'invests 175m' is what is actually the story.
There aren't any negatives been printed about our recent dealings, just like there aren't any negatives in sky not stating how much we got for Garcia in that particular bulletin. From what I can see, all this nonsense is about how it looks to other people, well what does it matter what someone else thinks? The irony of that is that people moan about how much united are talked about and how nauseating it is, when Infact they seem to want the exact same thing for us. It's bizarre.

I guess it depends on how you perceive what they are writing. Take the mail article that people have been discussing. City spend 175 million in 4 days, City splash the cash, British record transfer for defender, Aguero linked with Barca and Real. Well lets look at that in reality. Of that 175 million, approx £120 million is wages to existing players. For Silva, VK and Kun have those players got pay rises? I dont think they have, or if so very little. So really we have only spent 32 million in 4 days plus Mangalas wages in the future. Those wages are already being paid today pretty much so why make a huge headline out that. Are there huge headlines that Liverpool have splashed probably 300 million on new players if you include wages? I haven't seen anything and maybe im wrong, but i doubt it.

Its not that i want articles on Liverpool or United slagging them off cause i really couldnt care less about them. However, what i want is fair reporting on City. Maybe were getting that and i just have tinted specs on, but i do struggle to believe that with the articles in the press i see and the reporting on SSN.

But those headlines grabbed your attention, and the attention of those punters bored stiff on the daily commute each day on the way to work, by which time the paper is in the bin and the story has vanished from their minds anyway. The story is after the headlines though, like any headline. Anyone with half a brain will see what the story itself is saying, and for those who are silly enough to believe only the headline and think we literally spent 175m in 5 days, well who cares what they think anyway?
As for feeling we get a raw deal, well put that down to that fact you aren't used to us being talked about at all, other than being everyone's favourite sleeping giant. The fact is, and will be for some time, is that we are a decent sized club in the same way many others are in our league, and we have won the lottery and our fans are living the dream. We haven't built success over years, we've bought it with the sheikhs millions. That's fine, and we all love it, but even when the success is down to players bought with money generated from the club itself when the transformation is complete, some will still use the money bags tag, because the fact is you don't in any walk of life come from relative poverty and obscurity to having the most money available, buying the best things, paying the best money and having success as a result without having people talk about you. Be it a regular guy winning the lotto and going bonkers with the best house, buying the best cars and shagging the fittest women, to a football club buying the best players and winning the league. People will talk. In the short time I've been looking on here again I've seen people saying that Madrid don't get the same negative coverage we get when they spend loads, but we seem to get negative coverage. I think people are forgetting who we are and where we've come from there in comparison to Madrid. They've always bought the best and most expensive players, but then again they've also won the big trophies year after year. Them buying the best players and paying the biggest wages will always be different to us doing it, until such a time we have had years and years of success and it's a given that based on that success, we will invest in said players.

We could though just slink back into obscurity and enjoy a snippet in the local paper about buying a league 1 top scorer for a million quid.

 

[MaxCityBlue]

A lot of Manchester City fans have become hyper sensitive (myself included) to the bias in the broadcasting media. To say that there is no agenda is nieve. After all we've gate crashed their party. They're bound to be pissed off with us.

 

[nijinsky's fetlocks]

I have to say, Pige is making a pretty feeble effort of staying out of this thread.

Any particular reason why he should make an effort to stay out of it?

 

[cheddar404]

There's definitely a bias towards the clubs with the most fans. It's the same reason we get more coverage than Accrington Stanley. There's also a negative slant put on us because of all the money we've spent as there was with Chelsea when they broke into the established elite. It will lessen with time as it has done with with them. The bias does piss me off as I don't like having United rammed down my throat as they always been as long as I can remember. That's one of the reasons I don't buy papers and I haven't been watching Sky Sports news during the close season. They can write and broadcast whatever they like and we'll keep picking up trophies which will hopefully piss them off even more.

 

[Pigeonho]

I have to say, Pige is making a pretty feeble effort of staying out of this thread.

lol. I'll be gone off soon enough GDM, had a couple of days on my hands and finding it amusing that this is still talked about in the bizarre and paranoid way it is. For now though I'll be sure to keep you entertained.

 

[Pigeonho]

I have to say, Pige is making a pretty feeble effort of staying out of this thread.

Any particular reason why he should make an effort to stay out of it?

In fairness to our middle class friend, I did say I only came on to post in the comedy that is the blazing squad thread. However in fairness to me I noticed someone has said I was frequenting red cafe, and that I'm a 'rag', which prompted a response from me. It's gone from there really.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

I have to say, Pige is making a pretty feeble effort of staying out of this thread.

lol. I'll be gone off soon enough GDM, had a couple of days on my hands and finding it amusing that this is still talked about in the bizarre and paranoid way it is. For now though I'll be sure to keep you entertained.

It has become the preeminent stage for bickering on the forum since the 'Pellegrini detente' was arrived at in the spring. It provides the perfect.....errrrr.........forum for the wide array of folk that inhabit this board to interact with each other in an entertaining way.

The subject matter is an afterthought.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

I have to say, Pige is making a pretty feeble effort of staying out of this thread.

Any particular reason why he should make an effort to stay out of it?

It's always awkward when you're not 'in' on a joke.

Thankfully, Pige has got a sense of humour ;-)

 

[Pigeonho]

I have to say, Pige is making a pretty feeble effort of staying out of this thread.

lol. I'll be gone off soon enough GDM, had a couple of days on my hands and finding it amusing that this is still talked about in the bizarre and paranoid way it is. For now though I'll be sure to keep you entertained.

It has become the preeminent stage for bickering on the forum since the 'Pellegrini detente' was arrived at in the spring. It provides the perfect.....errrrr.........forum for the wide array of folk that inhabit this board to interact with each other in an entertaining way.

The subject matter is an afterthought.

It could go on and on like the barm thread or the last one to post gets 50 quid thread, what with nobody being able to be proven correct either way. Imagine that? Years and years of bickering over who is right about an agenda?!

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

lol. I'll be gone off soon enough GDM, had a couple of days on my hands and finding it amusing that this is still talked about in the bizarre and paranoid way it is. For now though I'll be sure to keep you entertained.

It has become the preeminent stage for bickering on the forum since the 'Pellegrini detente' was arrived at in the spring. It provides the perfect.....errrrr.........forum for the wide array of folk that inhabit this board to interact with each other in an entertaining way.

The subject matter is an afterthought.

It could go on and on like the barm thread or the last one to post gets 50 quid thread, what with nobody being able to be proven correct either way. Imagine that? Years and years of bickering over who is right about an agenda?!

It should be renamed: 'The Never Ending Thread'.

I am definitely right about the agenda btw.

 

[willipp]

I've not seen one negative article about the contracts, I've also not seen any positive ones. I have however seen articles that have reported on what we've done - extend the contracts of key players for lengthy periods. You see for anyone other than city fans there are no positives on those deals, or negatives for that matter. They are simply stories to be reported on, which is what they've done. When Rooney signed his 300k a week deal it was the same thing. Positives for united fans but not much else. If you think 'splash the cash' is a negative, as many seem to think it is on that headline a few pages back, well i presume then you think arsenal fans must think the same headline was a negative when it was used for their purchase of that kid from barca, who's name escapes me for some reason. I've seen it used especially in liverpool case this ore season, as splashing the cash is what they've done. The headline of city spend 175m grabs the person looking at it, then the sub headline of 'invests 175m' is what is actually the story.
There aren't any negatives been printed about our recent dealings, just like there aren't any negatives in sky not stating how much we got for Garcia in that particular bulletin. From what I can see, all this nonsense is about how it looks to other people, well what does it matter what someone else thinks? The irony of that is that people moan about how much united are talked about and how nauseating it is, when Infact they seem to want the exact same thing for us. It's bizarre.

I guess it depends on how you perceive what they are writing. Take the mail article that people have been discussing. City spend 175 million in 4 days, City splash the cash, British record transfer for defender, Aguero linked with Barca and Real. Well lets look at that in reality. Of that 175 million, approx £120 million is wages to existing players. For Silva, VK and Kun have those players got pay rises? I dont think they have, or if so very little. So really we have only spent 32 million in 4 days plus Mangalas wages in the future. Those wages are already being paid today pretty much so why make a huge headline out that. Are there huge headlines that Liverpool have splashed probably 300 million on new players if you include wages? I haven't seen anything and maybe im wrong, but i doubt it.

Its not that i want articles on Liverpool or United slagging them off cause i really couldnt care less about them. However, what i want is fair reporting on City. Maybe were getting that and i just have tinted specs on, but i do struggle to believe that with the articles in the press i see and the reporting on SSN.

But those headlines grabbed your attention, and the attention of those punters bored stiff on the daily commute each day on the way to work, by which time the paper is in the bin and the story has vanished from their minds anyway. The story is after the headlines though, like any headline. Anyone with half a brain will see what the story itself is saying, and for those who are silly enough to believe only the headline and think we literally spent 175m in 5 days, well who cares what they think anyway?
As for feeling we get a raw deal, well put that down to that fact you aren't used to us being talked about at all, other than being everyone's favourite sleeping giant. The fact is, and will be for some time, is that we are a decent sized club in the same way many others are in our league, and we have won the lottery and our fans are living the dream. We haven't built success over years, we've bought it with the sheikhs millions. That's fine, and we all love it, but even when the success is down to players bought with money generated from the club itself when the transformation is complete, some will still use the money bags tag, because the fact is you don't in any walk of life come from relative poverty and obscurity to having the most money available, buying the best things, paying the best money and having success as a result without having people talk about you. Be it a regular guy winning the lotto and going bonkers with the best house, buying the best cars and shagging the fittest women, to a football club buying the best players and winning the league. People will talk. In the short time I've been looking on here again I've seen people saying that Madrid don't get the same negative coverage we get when they spend loads, but we seem to get negative coverage. I think people are forgetting who we are and where we've come from there in comparison to Madrid. They've always bought the best and most expensive players, but then again they've also won the big trophies year after year. Them buying the best players and paying the biggest wages will always be different to us doing it, until such a time we have had years and years of success and it's a given that based on that success, we will invest in said players.

We could though just slink back into obscurity and enjoy a snippet in the local paper about buying a league 1 top scorer for a million quid.

Put that way then let them write what the fuck they like, give me success and what we have now over what we had 15 years ago every day of the week. Well put anyway and you make a lot of good points that makes sense in how were treated by the media. I think your right in that where we have come from has a lot to do with not just the presses coverage but also other fans attitude towards us. Maybe thats what the press feed on. Where we used to be everyones favourite 2nd club with great fans, were now disliked by those fans and were all plastic glory supporters who only started watching city since 2008. The press probably know that and write their stories accordingly.

 

[Pigeonho]

It has become the preeminent stage for bickering on the forum since the 'Pellegrini detente' was arrived at in the spring. It provides the perfect.....errrrr.........forum for the wide array of folk that inhabit this board to interact with each other in an entertaining way.

The subject matter is an afterthought.

It could go on and on like the barm thread or the last one to post gets 50 quid thread, what with nobody being able to be proven correct either way. Imagine that? Years and years of bickering over who is right about an agenda?!

It should be renamed: 'The Never Ending Thread'.

I am definitely right about the agenda btw.

Which is bizarre, because it too am right!

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

It could go on and on like the barm thread or the last one to post gets 50 quid thread, what with nobody being able to be proven correct either way. Imagine that? Years and years of bickering over who is right about an agenda?!

It should be renamed: 'The Never Ending Thread'.

I am definitely right about the agenda btw.

Which is bizarre, because it too am right!

You mean you've come round to my way of thinking? I knew you'd succumb in the end.

 

[everythingchangesbutblue]

I have to say, Pige is making a pretty feeble effort of staying out of this thread.

lol. I'll be gone off soon enough GDM, had a couple of days on my hands and finding it amusing that this is still talked about in the bizarre and paranoid way it is. For now though I'll be sure to keep you entertained.

Nothings "bizarre" or "paranoid" about it, its more bizarre that you in the past and 2 or 3 others now keep saying it does not exist to each and every example of it. The fact that negative articles are posted on here nearly every day proves that there is a bias and an agenda. Its not bigfoot or nessie, there are 100s of negativly spun articles since the season ended where things we do are spun differently even though when other clubs do the same they are not. The evidence is there, 100% its presented to the non believers all the time and yet each and every time its dismissed with lazy words like "bizarre" "paranoid" "loons" "Diana/9.11 conspiracy" because at the end of the day thats the only way they can justify ignoring overwhelming evidence, by attacking the poster presenting it, but its also the way to see they have lost the argument.

 

[Pigeonho]

I guess it depends on how you perceive what they are writing. Take the mail article that people have been discussing. City spend 175 million in 4 days, City splash the cash, British record transfer for defender, Aguero linked with Barca and Real. Well lets look at that in reality. Of that 175 million, approx £120 million is wages to existing players. For Silva, VK and Kun have those players got pay rises? I dont think they have, or if so very little. So really we have only spent 32 million in 4 days plus Mangalas wages in the future. Those wages are already being paid today pretty much so why make a huge headline out that. Are there huge headlines that Liverpool have splashed probably 300 million on new players if you include wages? I haven't seen anything and maybe im wrong, but i doubt it.

Its not that i want articles on Liverpool or United slagging them off cause i really couldnt care less about them. However, what i want is fair reporting on City. Maybe were getting that and i just have tinted specs on, but i do struggle to believe that with the articles in the press i see and the reporting on SSN.

But those headlines grabbed your attention, and the attention of those punters bored stiff on the daily commute each day on the way to work, by which time the paper is in the bin and the story has vanished from their minds anyway. The story is after the headlines though, like any headline. Anyone with half a brain will see what the story itself is saying, and for those who are silly enough to believe only the headline and think we literally spent 175m in 5 days, well who cares what they think anyway?
As for feeling we get a raw deal, well put that down to that fact you aren't used to us being talked about at all, other than being everyone's favourite sleeping giant. The fact is, and will be for some time, is that we are a decent sized club in the same way many others are in our league, and we have won the lottery and our fans are living the dream. We haven't built success over years, we've bought it with the sheikhs millions. That's fine, and we all love it, but even when the success is down to players bought with money generated from the club itself when the transformation is complete, some will still use the money bags tag, because the fact is you don't in any walk of life come from relative poverty and obscurity to having the most money available, buying the best things, paying the best money and having success as a result without having people talk about you. Be it a regular guy winning the lotto and going bonkers with the best house, buying the best cars and shagging the fittest women, to a football club buying the best players and winning the league. People will talk. In the short time I've been looking on here again I've seen people saying that Madrid don't get the same negative coverage we get when they spend loads, but we seem to get negative coverage. I think people are forgetting who we are and where we've come from there in comparison to Madrid. They've always bought the best and most expensive players, but then again they've also won the big trophies year after year. Them buying the best players and paying the biggest wages will always be different to us doing it, until such a time we have had years and years of success and it's a given that based on that success, we will invest in said players.

We could though just slink back into obscurity and enjoy a snippet in the local paper about buying a league 1 top scorer for a million quid.

Put that way then let them write what the fuck they like, give me success and what we have now over what we had 15 years ago every day of the week. Well put anyway and you make a lot of good points that makes sense in how were treated by the media. I think your right in that where we have come from has a lot to do with not just the presses coverage but also other fans attitude towards us. Maybe thats what the press feed on. Where we used to be everyones favourite 2nd club with great fans, were now disliked by those fans and were all plastic glory supporters who only started watching city since 2008. The press probably know that and write their stories accordingly.

Or how our fans perceive those stories are read. GDM often spoke of human nature in the past, and jealousy is obviously part of that. Depending on who it was, I would say that many of our fans would be negative towards a club like ours who had been given what we have been give. Newcastle, villa, Everton, spurs - all clubs a similar size to us when we got taken over. You can bet your arse that many of the phrases aimed at us by fans of other clubs - plastic trophies, there for the money, Yaya is taking the piss etc etc - would have been used toward them if the same was happening at their club. It must be pretty heart breaking for fans of those similar sized clubs to see the success we are enjoying and the complete tranformation of the club. Don't make the mistake though that those views are formed from what the daily mail has printed or what Jim White may or may not have said on Sky, those views are formed purely from jealousy, and their rants and tantrums are equally as nonsense.

 

[nijinsky's fetlocks]

I have to say, Pige is making a pretty feeble effort of staying out of this thread.

Any particular reason why he should make an effort to stay out of it?

Thankfully, Pige has got a sense of humour ;-)

It will be sorely tested on this thread, although the ability to humour others may prove even more invaluable.
Maybe we should rename the thread Ship Of Fools II.
I'm sure George would appreciate the irony.

 

[bernabias home shirt]

I have to say, Pige is making a pretty feeble effort of staying out of this thread.

Any particular reason why he should make an effort to stay out of it?

In fairness to our middle class friend, I did say I only came on to post in the comedy that is the blazing squad thread. However in fairness to me I noticed someone has said I was frequenting red cafe, and that I'm a 'rag', which prompted a response from me. It's gone from there really.

The strange thing abt the posters accusing you of being on Red Cafe are the very ones who on a weekly basis if not daily are forever posting quotes off there on here
I'm sure they log on to Rag Cafe before Bluemoon when they get up.

 

[George Hannah]

Any particular reason why he should make an effort to stay out of it?

Thankfully, Pige has got a sense of humour ;-)

It will be sorely tested on this thread, although the ability to humour others may prove even more invaluable.
Maybe we should rename the thread Ship Of Fools II.
I'm sure George would appreciate the irony.

and the Ark of Salvation is rigged and ready to collect the casualties

 

[SilverFox2]

I have to say, Pige is making a pretty feeble effort of staying out of this thread.

lol. I'll be gone off soon enough GDM, had a couple of days on my hands and finding it amusing that this is still talked about in the bizarre and paranoid way it is. For now though I'll be sure to keep you entertained.

It has become the preeminent stage for bickering on the forum since the 'Pellegrini detente' was arrived at in the spring. It provides the perfect.....errrrr.........forum for the wide array of folk that inhabit this board to interact with each other in an entertaining way.

The subject matter is an afterthought.

A little bit like the newspaper trade itself where the phrase ''never let the truth get in the way of a good story'' has allegedly been its way to attract its circulation.

Valid points that should refine a threads conclusion are ignored as contributors prefer to concentrate on the extremes of the discussion.
I am enjoying the threads ability to emphasise just how biased most football supporters are yet expect the written press to somehow be above all that.

 

[Pigeonho]

Any particular reason why he should make an effort to stay out of it?

In fairness to our middle class friend, I did say I only came on to post in the comedy that is the blazing squad thread. However in fairness to me I noticed someone has said I was frequenting red cafe, and that I'm a 'rag', which prompted a response from me. It's gone from there really.

The strange thing abt the posters accusing you of being on Red Cafe are the very ones who on a weekly basis if not daily are forever posting quotes off there on here
I'm sure they log on to Rag Cafe before Bluemoon when they get up.

This is of course correct. The ones with faux-hatred of united like The unstable Pam, who appear to hate all things united, but bizarrely log onto red cafe with am actual account and password. He's another one for it too, De Niro. The irony is indeed delicious.

But that's none of my business. ;-)