So what’s so wrong with labour shortages driving up low wages?

mat said:
That's a very "lefty" statement for the Express. Does the article contradict itself? I won't click on the link because I don't want to give that shower of shit any money.
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Of course it contradicts itself. It’s the Express. It starts off bemoaning the fact that essential workers are underpaid then goes on to blame “lefty elites” for the situation because people have aspirations to get educated and get jobs commensurate with their education rather than being van drivers or shelf stackers. The article is full of cliches and inverted snobbery.

The Express appears to be moving the agenda now to crediting the Tory government for bringing us Brexit specifically to improve the wages of the low paid. It’s fucking laughable but it will probably gain traction with some people.
 
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Interesting feed. Makes you appreciate the difficulties of the job and that its not just pay, but better treatment, working conditions, and how we just don't provide enough facilities etc.

We are going to have to accept higher prices for food and goods, higher prices and reduced choice more than likely.
 
BobKowalski said:
Interesting feed. Makes you appreciate the difficulties of the job and that its not just pay, but better treatment, working conditions, and how we just don't provide enough facilities etc.

We are going to have to accept higher prices for food and goods, higher prices and reduced choice more than likely.
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Better pay doesn't magically produce the workers that you need to fill the gaps - all they are doing is moving lorry drivers around for more pay - an inflationary move - until you inevitably hit the ceiling. Nobody can pay a lorry driver the same pay as an MP can they?
 
Yeah this is a stupid concept thought up in the mind of a simpleton who has never lived in the real world. Claiming massive staff shortages in an essential industry is good because the few workers available will be able to leverage the shortage for more money is ridiculously short sighted. They might get more money, but literally everyone else suffers, a lot.(including the lorry drivers because they too need to buy things, which will be both harder to come by and more expensive)

It's a pathetic attempt to put a positive spin on a shit show.
 
Just wait until the lockdown loving middle classes, working from home and getting their shopping delivered, are replaced by the very bright overseas people who can work on Zoom or via Teams, for a fraction of the wages, whilst spending not one penny of them in this country.
More money for dividends and less on Labour (I think they call it productivity) or, alternatively, the capitalists wet dream and it’s just around the corner.
I think it might the in the Cautionary Tales section, under Be Careful What You Wish For.
 
BigOscar said:
Yeah this is a stupid concept thought up in the mind of a simpleton who has never lived in the real world. Claiming massive staff shortages in an essential industry is good because the few workers available will be able to leverage the shortage for more money is ridiculously short sighted. They might get more money, but literally everyone else suffers, a lot.(including the lorry drivers because they too need to buy things, which will be both harder to come by and more expensive)

It's a pathetic attempt to put a positive spin on a shit show.
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Sunday the Mail calls on the UK to UNITE with the EU to fix Border bureaucracy what next - The Express urging workers to come together as Unions to make sure things are made better for them?
 
mat said:
No one are increasing their wages though.

I'm getting sick to fuck of hospitality bosses and other management sectors appearing on TV complaining they don't have enough staff and then giving bullshit reasons why they aren't prepared to raise their wages from the mandatory minimum wage (or less when using EU workers in some cases).
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Two classic real examples on the beeb

Transport manager from Middleton stood in warehouse. The jobs are physically demanding with long hours and the pay is average, we are struggling to recruit at the moment.

Woman in hospitality being asked what they are doing to make the jobs more appealing now EU workers are less likely to come.

Well we advertised in the paper and got 7 interested, only 5 showed up but not many takers.

So you are doing nothing then pmsl.
 
i kne albert davy said:
Not a lot really but it's complicated as inflation will erode pay increases, but there again importing cheap labour isn't the endless solution either as second generation rarely want the crap jobs and the country doesn't have rubber borders.Personally my wages have gone up 10k in last 12 month's and I don't need a plumber, fixing taps and soldering pipes ain't rocket science done by supermen.
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l'm always here when you flood your house ;-)
 
hilts said:
Well we advertised in the paper and got 7 interested, only 5 showed up but not many takers.

So you are doing nothing then pmsl.
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How many posts did they advertise? I mean if it was 1 you'd hope that from 7 you'd find the right one. After 5 no shows fining that 1 out of a pick of 2 isn't so easy. Not sure what more they can do to recruit tbh
 
BigOscar said:
Yeah this is a stupid concept thought up in the mind of a simpleton who has never lived in the real world. Claiming massive staff shortages in an essential industry is good because the few workers available will be able to leverage the shortage for more money is ridiculously short sighted. They might get more money, but literally everyone else suffers, a lot.(including the lorry drivers because they too need to buy things, which will be both harder to come by and more expensive)

It's a pathetic attempt to put a positive spin on a shit show.
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They can always get their stuff off the back of a lorry.
 
bluethrunthru said:
How many posts did they advertise? I mean if it was 1 you'd hope that from 7 you'd find the right one. After 5 no shows fining that 1 out of a pick of 2 isn't so easy. Not sure what more they can do to recruit tbh
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The point was more about the question posed to them;-)
 
I live in an agricultural area of Spain where this year has seen changes.
Earlier this year the first melon crop was ploughed back into the land by some producers for economic reasons.
Recent months has seen onions suffer by simply not being harvested and left on fields with no follow on crop.

Whether transport or collection costs or maybe final sale prices are to blame I don't know but change is happening.

Certainly there are fewer Senagal people in the fields (due to covid restrictions) as they are the cheap labor of choice for Spain.

Not sure about delivery costs but literally hundreds of lorries supply Europe Including UK with usual peppers lettuce tomatoes etc. and whilst August is a traditional holiday time (heat can be dangerous to workers and water costs rise so few crops collected) plenty is being produced and distributed.
Perhaps new border controls are affecting turnaround times for lorries so maybe they driver choice is to stay within EC but much of the produce locally is contracted to UK supermarkets.
 
SilverFox2 said:
I live in an agricultural area of Spain where this year has seen changes.
Earlier this year the first melon crop was ploughed back into the land by some producers for economic reasons.
Recent months has seen onions suffer by simply not being harvested and left on fields with no follow on crop.

Whether transport or collection costs or maybe final sale prices are to blame I don't know but change is happening.

Certainly there are fewer Senagal people in the fields (due to covid restrictions) as they are the cheap labor of choice for Spain.

Not sure about delivery costs but literally hundreds of lorries supply Europe Including UK with usual peppers lettuce tomatoes etc. and whilst August is a traditional holiday time (heat can be dangerous to workers and water costs rise so few crops collected) plenty is being produced and distributed.
Perhaps new border controls are affecting turnaround times for lorries so maybe they driver choice is to stay within EC but much of the produce locally is contracted to UK supermarkets.
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wait until next month - we are not yet imposing the customs checks on out borders - when we do as of the end of September food supplies in the UK are fucked - I hope Spanish farmers can find replacement markets within the EU
 
bluethrunthru said:
wait until next month - we are not yet imposing the customs checks on out borders - when we do as of the end of September food supplies in the UK are fucked - I hope Spanish farmers can find replacement markets within the EU
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Almeria and Mercia areas have been long term suppliers to UK supermarkets.
They worry about exactly what you describe because particularly in Almeria it has very little manufacturing (due to Franco's policy when in power) relying on a decimated holiday destination and agriculture to financially survive.

Let's hope the relationship can continue.
 
bluethrunthru said:
wait until next month - we are not yet imposing the customs checks on out borders - when we do as of the end of September food supplies in the UK are fucked - I hope Spanish farmers can find replacement markets within the EU
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Odds are we'll wave everything through with minimal checks.
Meanwhile our exports will be scrutinised like any other 3rd country's.
More Brexit winning.
 
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