Something Odd Going on with Tevez

[cleavers]

It doesn't appear to be anything to do with the injury. That seems to have been a smokescreen.

I'm reassured by Kidd's comments that he's raring to go for the derby.

Why is the injury a smokescreen though ?

He was clearly injured, had been limping before he went off, so no doubt he was injured, it was then suggested he had internal bleeding, so wouldn't be available for about 2 weeks. If he's not available why not allow him a break (see Rooney), and if chooses to take his break in Argentina with his family, then surely that's OK, its a long way (a bit like Dubai), but daily flights (turns out he has a private jet on stand by anyway). He was meant to come back yesterday, but City are away from today, so why not stay another day or so ? As for treatment, he's getting the best for Argentinian footballers from the Argentina team doctor, so no story there either.

All in all why look for a smokescreen when you could just look at the facts and think fair enough all is in order, the main reason people want to see conspiracy theories is the shite written by our media when it comes to City. I don't read the official site because I know that its 90% spin, but equally I don't bother with the media "stories" because most of them are just that 'fiction'.

I'm weird me, I like quotes, and when I see them attributed to those that actually matter in media peices (not stories note), I tend to believe them.

For all the "unrest at city" fiction this week, there is not one quote I have seen to substantiate any of them, granted I don't read all the links. The only ones I've seen from players have been positive ones, no problem here type, (and 2 players having an argument over losing is healthy for me, not negative), and one from a player agent saying his player thinks there isn't enough winning mentality at City (something I tend to agree with).

I just wish people on here would stop looking for conspiracies everywhere, when most of it is just media fiction.

 

[Anonymous]

I just wish people on here would stop looking for conspiracies everywhere, when most of it is just media fiction.

Because some of it isn't media fiction.

I respect the fact that you look for quotes, but the sad reality of the modern game is that both clubs and players constantly talk to the press without attributing the quotes to themselves.

KBN said in another thread that it was Brian Kidd who gave the quotes for today's piece in the Independent but did it off the record...

Also, I don't see what the big deal is about speculating about what's going on behind the scenes. There are plenty of threads on any given day on Bluemoon which are all about 'factual' stuff, for those who want to discuss those things.

 

[cleavers]

I just wish people on here would stop looking for conspiracies everywhere, when most of it is just media fiction.

Because some of it isn't media fiction.

I respect the fact that you look for quotes, but the sad reality of the modern game is that both clubs and players constantly talk to the press without attributing the quotes to themselves.

KBN said in another thread that it was Brian Kidd who gave the quotes for today's piece in the Independent but did it off the record...

Also, I don't see what the big deal is about speculating about what's going on behind the scenes. There are plenty of threads on any given day on Bluemoon which are all about 'factual' stuff, for those who want to discuss those things.

While I agree with much of that, its become very hard to spot the fiction from the non fiction, and surely nobody can deny there is an anti city agenda in the media, even in the media that seems reasonably pro city.

Also is it not beyond the wit of City as a business to make it clear that only officially sanctioned, and quoted interviews will be allowed from now on, instead of all this "off the record" bollox ? Senior managers, Managers, Players, and other staff ? The biggest telling quote of the week was from Mancini on Monday "Rubbish" when asked about player unrest, interestingly from the training report from that afternoon, he took them all out of site for a long chat. Hopefully a few laws were laid down to the playing staff.

My biggest gripe on here is that its a never ending circle, we know full well that the lazy journalists come on here looking for titbits, and there are a few fed through this forum. The lazy amongst them (and the rag supporting - of which there is large number) see that there is division amongst the fans, so further try to divide us, would it not be better for the the team we all supposedly support, to not keep feeding them even more negativity ?

I'm as gutted by the Wolves defeat as anyone else, but its just one game, and it didn't merit the media or fan reaction it got, in fact I was over it by 6pm, and looking forward to Thursdays game. Was Arsenal's defeat to WBA, or United draw to WBA (both at home) given anything like the same reaction (by media or fans) ? No of course not.

 

[Anonymous]

Because some of it isn't media fiction.

I respect the fact that you look for quotes, but the sad reality of the modern game is that both clubs and players constantly talk to the press without attributing the quotes to themselves.

KBN said in another thread that it was Brian Kidd who gave the quotes for today's piece in the Independent but did it off the record...

Also, I don't see what the big deal is about speculating about what's going on behind the scenes. There are plenty of threads on any given day on Bluemoon which are all about 'factual' stuff, for those who want to discuss those things.

While I agree with much of that, its become very hard to spot the fiction from the non fiction, and surely nobody can deny there is an anti city agenda in the media, even in the media that seems reasonably pro city.

Also is it not beyond the wit of City as a business to make it clear that only officially sanctioned, and quoted interviews will be allowed from now on, instead of all this "off the record" bollox ? Senior managers, Managers, Players, and other staff ? The biggest telling quote of the week was from Mancini on Monday "Rubbish" when asked about player unrest, interestingly from the training report from that afternoon, he took them all out of site for a long chat. Hopefully a few laws were laid down to the playing staff.

My biggest gripe on here is that its a never ending circle, we know full well that the lazy journalists come on here looking for titbits, and there are a few fed through this forum. The lazy amongst them (and the rag supporting - of which there is large number) see that there is division amongst the fans, so further try to divide us, would it not be better for the the team we all supposedly support, to not keep feeding them even more negativity ?

I'm as gutted by the Wolves defeat as anyone else, but its just one game, and it didn't merit the media or fan reaction it got, in fact I was over it by 6pm, and looking forward to Thursdays game. Was Arsenal's defeat to WBA, or United draw to WBA (both at home) given anything like the same reaction (by media or fans) ? No of course not.

I agree that the press will jump on every poor result we have, it's to be expected. I don't think that should or will concern the management too much.

It's the players talking out of turn or briefing the press which is the bigger stick which Mancini is being beaten with. It's difficult to know which side of the fence to fall on that one. On the one hand, as I said, it's just the nature of the relationship between the media and top flight footballers and should be taken with a huge pinch of salt. On the other hand, it's certainly a cause for concern that quite so many stories seem to be popping up about so many players. No amount of bollockings will stop it - in fact, I imagine it'll just exacerbate the situation. I'd like to think the way it's being dealt with is by the management having open and honest discussions with those players who aren't happy.

The Independent/Kidd off the record quotes are a prime example. If you start leaking to the press that SWP and Bridge are for sale, and you haven't told the players that, then it stands to reason that those players are going to be pissed off and not perform when called upon. Not that I'm saying they haven't been told as I have no idea...but you get the point.

 

[cleavers]

The Independent/Kidd off the record quotes are a prime example. If you start leaking to the press that SWP and Bridge are for sale, and you haven't told the players that, then it stands to reason that those players are going to be pissed off and not perform when called upon. Not that I'm saying they haven't been told as I have no idea...but you get the point.

Well personally I have no idea whether or not they or, or that stories have been leaked by them, or about them, either exist, or are true.

In both cases I'd suggest that they probably are available, simply because neither player is good enough to command the first or perhaps even second level for their own position in the team. In Bridge's case 2 or 3 have played there this season and proved better then him, and is SWP's case there is no position because in RM's team plan there won't be out and out wingers, and even when there is, he'd be at best second choice. That said I don't see either player as the sort that would drip deliberate mis-information.

Again so many people believe everything written, or rumoured, and unless you are in the training sessions each day, nobody actually knows how RM treats the players, or in fact how some of them deserve to be treated. No doubt there are some things that some don't like, but in any job in the world this applies, its bloody unprofessional however to leak shit to destabilise your own business, and if any of us did it, and it was obvious to our employer, then we'd be looking for a new job immediately.

 

[KenTheLandlord]

I just wish people on here would stop looking for conspiracies everywhere, when most of it is just media fiction.

Also, I don't see what the big deal is about speculating about what's going on behind the scenes. There are plenty of threads on any given day on Bluemoon which are all about 'factual' stuff, for those who want to discuss those things.

Yes, who wants to read "factual stuff", when we can spend hours and hours debating endlessly decreasing circles of speculation, or guessing at it used to be called.

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

Carlos and City will very soon be having the last laugh, should anyone be after crumbs of comfort during all this hyperbole.

 

[Soulboy]

Carlos and City will very soon be having the last laugh, should anyone be after crumbs of comfort during all this hyperbole.

Why?

 

[JoeMercer'sWay]

Carlos and City will very soon be having the last laugh, should anyone be after crumbs of comfort during all this hyperbole.

in typical tolmie fashion

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxgtPR3kWHk[/youtube]

 

[TheMightyQuinn]

Bollocks. My only crime is to not give time or credence to posters who have a paper thin agenda against the manager. I've never been pro or anti Mancini as I find that sort of stuff tragically pointless.

Like I said, it's pointless you even being here. You're pretty much admitting yourself you contribute fuck all to the discussion.

Whilst you on the other hand contribute what exactly? Mindless speculation? Poisonous paragraphs aimed at Mancini?

You just get abusive when people disagree with you which shows you to be emotionally retarded.

If you're so open to debate let us discuss Stevie Ireland and why the club wanted rid shall we?