Souness

[woody1968]

On the whole I’m a big fan of Souness, but I thought his entire performance yesterday was just odd. Going on about how English football is more “honest” than foreign football because no one dives or cheats was just weird given he was getting giddy about a how “we’ve got our football back” because a German and an Italian got in each other’s faces and the match was decided by someone grabbing a players hair.

Going on a tirade against zonal marking at corners as well, despite the fact every single top flight team across Europe (including City, the team who concede fewer goals at set prices than anyone else) uses zonal marking because it’s just objectively better than the man marking he played 50 years ago.

It was like he was playing up to a stereotype of old pundits and the men being men stuff was just part of that.

He’s a better pundit than that.

Completely agree - I usually like Souness but yesterday he had me scratching my head - maybe just a bad day at the office

 

[deano ou812]

What did he say?

Roughly said that Graham’s comments on it’s a man’s game and it was a spiky match with the ref letting certain stuff go which made it for a great game,let’s not get away from the fact it was a game between 2 teams of men playing football which we were all watching,a football match played by men what is going on with society..or words to that effect..

 

[Brightwell Bros.]

Does everyone have to qualify everything they now say in the media in case of being misunderstood, misquoted or taken out of context - for fear of causing offence ? Where was he deriding the women's game or seeking to undermine the success of the England Women's team ?

Look, if I say something a bit clumsy that a load of people tell me sounds clumsy and that a couple of people are upset by it then I personally try have a think about it and update my language accordingly. It costs me nothing, and in future it'll mean my actual point doesn't get lost. If people don't want to do that then that is their business, but at some point you start to look stubborn and deliberately like you're trying to hurt people. Women's football isn't going anywhere, and as it becomes more established we will have little moments like this. I'm not offended, I don't want Souness fired or anything, I'm just having a bit of empathy for women who might be bored of hearing "it's a man's game".

 

[Gordyola]

I agree, Souness is a dinosaur and there's no room for toxic masculinity in the game. I propose the following changes:

Ball boy = ball person
Linesman = Lines person
Ball = round object (men have balls so we have to drop that word also, it is a toxic word anyway)

Linesmen have been de-generified many years ago with a no gender specific title of ASSistant Referee

 

[GaudinoMotors]

I'm not offended at all by what he said I merely stated that in my opinion he is a clown and a dinosaur for making that comment, as well as being wrong. He wasn't specifically referring to that game yesterday when he made the comment, he was being a sexist pillock. It is you taking offence because you disagree with me !

Ok it's me.

You're clearly not offended by the "dinosaur clown, sexist pillock".

Let's leave it.

 

[Mr Banks Is In The Kippax]

These days if you say you’re English they throw you in jail

It's Health and Safety gone mad

 

[bluethrunthru]

Does everyone have to qualify everything they now say in the media in case of being misunderstood, misquoted or taken out of context - for fear of causing offence ? Where was he deriding the women's game or seeking to undermine the success of the England Women's team ?

Ask the editors of the Daily Fail as its todays chosen battleground to rouse their rabble and promote culture wars all to keep peoples focus away from things that are really happening

 

[M12Blue]

Didn't James Haskell get a similar pile on from England womens rubgy.
Given the hair pulling he could equally have said its a womens game, although runs risk of pile on from football supporting men, maybe not

 

[HelloCity]

They’re banning people from wearing England shirts. It’s PC gone mad!

 

[GaudinoMotors]

Ask the editors of the Daily Fail as its todays chosen battleground to rouse their rabble and promote culture wars all to keep peoples focus away from things that are really happening

For parity - the Guardian don't do a bad job of it either.