Southport | 9 year old girl confirmed as third victim

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bumbleblue said:
Little 9 year old named and pics on BBC now. Rest with the angels Alice Aguiar. Heartbreaking
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I'm as stoic as they come but that upset me seeing her picture. Just brings more reality to it.

I teach guitar to a class of kids, in fact I'll be there in a few hours to do so. Its just awful to think the kids I'm with are no different to the kids yesterday, just going to do something they enjoy. Fucking awful to think what happened to them.
 
carlosthejackal said:
I’ve always held the belief that anyone throughout history who commits such horrendous crimes have to be mentally ill , from Hitler and Stalin down to Hindley and Brady . Nobody can be sane and commit such atrocities. As I posted earlier these events will always happen worldwide .
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It's a good point.
horrific atrocities have always happened and will always happen.

Think some are taking it a bit too far when they can't wait for death because of this - perhaps need to step away from the News for a few days.

You can only control your own circle.


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I believe they arrested Tommy Robinson using the terror legislation and under that means you lose your right to silence, you can’t speak to solicitor and you have to give access to your phone

So obviously seeing his name is going to make some mad and I’m saying I don’t know if this is correct, is there anyone who knows if this happens under terror legislation?

I just thought if it was the case, that with this attacker killing 3 young girls and stabbing many others they would have also been able to class that as terrorism initially so as to deprive him of those rights ?
 
bluemc1 said:
I believe they arrested Tommy Robinson using the terror legislation and under that means you lose your right to silence, you can’t speak to solicitor and you have to give access to your phone

So obviously seeing his name is going to make some mad and I’m saying I don’t know if this is correct, is there anyone who knows if this happens under terror legislation?

I just thought if it was the case, that with this attacker killing 3 young girls and stabbing many others they would have also been able to class that as terrorism initially so as to deprive him of those rights ?
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You would have thought the dibble would have said it was possibly terror related to give themselves the leeway to do exactly that
 
SWP's back said:
It’s not, not even close. You’re safer now in the U.K. than your parents were, their parents were and so on and so forth for the last two thousand yeyears.
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You really don't have the authority to tell me how i feel currently. And can you back that up with proof? Statistics? Or are you just reflecting how you feel?
 
bluemc1 said:
I believe they arrested Tommy Robinson using the terror legislation and under that means you lose your right to silence, you can’t speak to solicitor and you have to give access to your phone

So obviously seeing his name is going to make some mad and I’m saying I don’t know if this is correct, is there anyone who knows if this happens under terror legislation?

I just thought if it was the case, that with this attacker killing 3 young girls and stabbing many others they would have also been able to class that as terrorism initially so as to deprive him of those rights ?
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Why do you need to mention that fuckin' racist nutter?
It's just going to derail the thread : /
 
BlueHammer85 said:
It's a good point.
horrific atrocities have always happened and will always happen.

Think some are taking it a bit too far when they can't wait for death because of this - perhaps need to step away from the News for a few days.

You can only control your own circle.


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I’d add the inner circle of born Evil with no emotion, no fuckin hope to that.
 
BlueMoonRisin’ said:
Why do you need to mention that fuckin' racist nutter?
It's just going to derail the thread : /
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I can’t start accounting for people becoming hysterical at seeing a name mate

If everyone reads why and what’s the post about and doesn’t become hysterical and start throwing insults in any direction it doesn’t have to derail the thread
We are all grown ups
 
BlueHammer85 said:
It's a good point.
horrific atrocities have always happened and will always happen.

Think some are taking it a bit too far when they can't wait for death because of this - perhaps need to step away from the News for a few days.

You can only control your own circle.


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Is this one of your VAR charts from your book of bollocks?
 
Kippax77 said:
Is this one of your VAR charts from your book of bollocks?
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Is there a need for this?

It's a help towards those who are struggling to process this news and the affect it's having on their own mentality.

Circle of control is a helpful method for many.
 
Brightwell Bros. said:
I believe they arrested Tommy Robinson using the terror legislation and under that means you lose your right to silence, you can’t speak to solicitor and you have to give access to your phone

So obviously seeing his name is going to make some mad and I’m saying I don’t know if this is correct, is there anyone who knows if this happens under terror legislation?

I just thought if it was the case, that with this attacker killing 3 young girls and stabbing many others they would have also been able to class that as terrorism initially so as to deprive him of those rights ?
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1) You don't lose the right to silence
2) You can have a solicitor-the right to a solicitor can however be withdrawn under PACE as well as TACT under extreme circumstances or perhaps more often in the case of 'urgent interviews'-under TACT its a Supt that can authorise a delay in obtaining legal advice and having someone informed of your arrest (as opposed to Insp under normal PACE matters for the latter)
3) Phones are routinely seized again under s19 PACE as evidence of the offence and/or use in commission of the offence
4) Arrsesting under TACT gives police more powers but they are generally around the length of time somebody can be held (14 days rather than 24 hours-plus extensions, by Supt and then Mags court).

that should be bluemc not brightwell..
 
bluemc1 said:
I believe they arrested Tommy Robinson using the terror legislation and under that means you lose your right to silence, you can’t speak to solicitor and you have to give access to your phone

So obviously seeing his name is going to make some mad and I’m saying I don’t know if this is correct, is there anyone who knows if this happens under terror legislation?

I just thought if it was the case, that with this attacker killing 3 young girls and stabbing many others they would have also been able to class that as terrorism initially so as to deprive him of those rights ?
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Don't expect much common sense

He was arrested under a terrorism legislation simply because he showed a video that he was banned from showing. And he was banned from showing it because it exposed a hell of a lot of lies from the media and courts and councillors paying people hush money and they didn't want it to see the light of day. Before anyone wants to get into it, it's not me supporting him, it's just the truth of what happened and why they were petrified of him airing it and they put a ban on it.

Not sure why they arrested him under terror legislation for that. Surely he just broke a gagging order. It seems they weaponise certain legislation when it suits, but that's nothing new in the world.

Yet some attacks that most would consider a clear act of terrorism don't seem to be treated as such.
 
Crooked_rain said:
Don't expect much common sense

He was arrested under a terrorism legislation simply because he showed a video that he was banned from showing. And he was banned from showing it because it exposed a hell of a lot of lies from the media and courts and councillors paying people hush money and they didn't want it to see the light of day. Before anyone wants to get into it, it's not me supporting him, it's just the truth of what happened and why they were petrified of him airing it and they put a ban on it.

Not sure why they arrested him under terror legislation for that. Surely he just broke a gagging order. It seems they weaponise certain legislation when it suits, but that's nothing new in the world.

Yet some attacks that most would consider a clear act of terrorism don't seem to be treated as such.
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Mate genuinely appreciate reply but leave that to his thread not on here
It’ll just get a reply and continue

Top man
 
BigJoe#1 said:
Capital punishment all the way for me when it is indisputable that they committed the crime.
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The problem is that convictions have to be beyond reasonable doubt, yet me know that many people have been convicted of crimes they didn't commit, or they may have committed them but the evidence was unsafe.
 
bluemc1 said:
Mate genuinely appreciate reply but leave that to his thread not on here
It’ll just get a reply and continue

Top man
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Aye fair enough, I was actually going to say we should probably leave that conversation for the other thread
 
BlueHammer85 said:
Is there a need for this?

It's a help towards those who are struggling to process this news and the affect it's having on their own mentality.

Circle of control is a helpful method for many.
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You started by putting them down for "going to far" with their level of sorrow over this, but then come out at the end as the great healer.
 
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